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    Posted by Angie La on October 15, 2012 at 3:52 am

    Hi veeners!! I am recently coming out of a trick and progress addiction. I don’t know that I ever meant for that to happen but I found myself in a panic before I went to have surgery. The idea of stunting my progress was so painful but I think getting some distance from my pole has helped me to realize it was such a trap. Now that I am building my chest strength back, I have been forced to slow down and either savor the pole process, or end up extremely frustrated. Emotionally I can not afford to feel so frustrated with pole so I have decided to get back to basics and work on my creativity and control. Has anyone else felt this way? How did you come out of it? Now that I have new eyes, I almost feel creatively stuck… Hmmm. (;

    Angie La replied 11 years, 11 months ago 15 Members · 25 Replies
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  • MichelleH

    Member
    October 15, 2012 at 5:46 am

    It benefits all of us to just flow and move and feel the dance. Find a song you love that makes you want to move, turn the lights down low if it makes you feel good and just dance!

  • Charley

    Member
    October 15, 2012 at 10:21 am

    I went through the same thing for a very long time myself.  I think time away is a good way to reset your thinking and set goals.  Ask yourself, WHY do I need all of these tricks?  What am I working towards?  Who/What do I want to be as a pole dancer?  I'm really glad you posted this because it's something I think a lot of pole dancers go through esepcially in the beginning.  In the beginning for some, the basics are so easy and you see so many fabulous dancers flipping around the pole – that becomes your mental image of dancing and thus pushes into a frenzy of nailing everything that you can.

    I blogged about my experience with this last year – it's lengthy but I hope it helps.

    http://poledancerdiaries.blogspot.com/2011/03/bad-romance.html

  • luvlee

    Member
    October 15, 2012 at 11:39 am

    I am quite the opposite here. I can see why you would want to do tricks. What is the first thing EVERY poler wants to do when they get their pole??? GO UPSIDE DOWN. Not transitions till they are blue in the face. It may be just me, but I love tricks more than anything else. WHy do we have pole idols? All those tricks they put together so beautifully and transition so smoothly one after the other never touching the floor. That is what I want. Tht is why I am a trick natzi and always will be. For putting together a perfprmance for competition or showcase you need a little of both, but I see more tricks and that is what I want to watch. I get bored and go to the next video if there are no tricks. Just me. I will always feel this way though. Tricks are why I started pole and I dream to one day be able to string them all together like some of the best. I just watched Becca Buck's performance video from a showcase and I am inspired to get some of that. ANY of that!!! It is frustrating, sometimes you need to move on and come back, but it is worth it in the end when you nail that trick. End of my soap box. ( tucks tail and hides)

  • WickedVixen

    Member
    October 15, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    JelliCrew, I’m the same way. I’ll be a trick monkey until the bitter end- I just love flying. That being said, however, we do all have to rest now and then, for whatever reason.

    When I started recording my practices, I was horrified that what I thought were great transitions and sexy floor moves were *ahem* neither great nor sexy. It gave me a new goal- to achieve the fluidity I see in the my idols. I discovered then that I was addicted to the next goal, the next milestone, and the next achievement, rather than the tricks themselves. It’s crazy, but (for me, anyway), achieving a “perfect” pirouette with pointed toes, a smile, and fluid dynamics is harder than a lot of tricks. It might be worth a shot to think about it in those terms, especially if you’re having trouble just enjoying the dance and if you have a webcam to track your progress.

    Charley, your blog post was wonderfully eloquent. It struck a chord with me as I look into beginning to teach. Thank you!

  • WickedVixen

    Member
    October 15, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    JelliCrew, I’m the same way. I’ll be a trick monkey until the bitter end- I just love flying. That being said, however, we do all have to rest now and then, for whatever reason.

    When I started recording my practices, I was horrified that what I thought were great transitions and sexy floor moves were *ahem* neither great nor sexy. It gave me a new goal- to achieve the fluidity I see in the my idols. I discovered then that I was addicted to the next goal, the next milestone, and the next achievement, rather than the tricks themselves. It’s crazy, but (for me, anyway), achieving a “perfect” pirouette with pointed toes, a smile, and fluid dynamics is harder than a lot of tricks. It might be worth a shot to think about it in those terms, especially if you’re having trouble just enjoying the dance and if you have a webcam to track your progress.

    Charley, your blog post was wonderfully eloquent. It struck a chord with me as I look into beginning to teach. Thank you!

  • Charley

    Member
    October 15, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Thank you WickedVixen!

    I know that tricks were my first motivation.  Unfortunately for me, I'm a slow learner.  I just can't self teach as well as I can teach and I just have too big a fear factor to try some of the more insane things like the fonji.  

    One of my favortie current examples of pole dancing is Michelle Stanek's routine at USPDF this year.  Why did she win?  My personal feeling is because her transitions were off the hook amazing – watch the first minute – you are never left board – she is going crazy around that pole but there's no *tricks* yet…then when she does get up there – her tricks are clean, powerful and she made them HERS, she did them in a way no one else could even though som are fairly common advanced tricks.  she had a great mix of differing levels of movement. She strung it all together so fluidily – you just watch with your jaw dropped.

    The problem with being trick obsessed is once you nail all of those tricks – what do you do next?  Let's say you can do every trick ever invented – now what?  how do you choose to showcase them?  Even if you have the stamina of say…Samantha Star and you can string it all togehter – you still couldn't possible put all of your tricks into one song.  So, you would need some kind of transitional base.

    Samantha Star – is another great example I am using because while she is mad strong and has AMAZING tricks – her msuicality and theatrics are OFF the hook.  When I saw her at midwest I started laughing – laughing with pur joy and amazement as her body movement changed up to this sic dubstep music that kept changing up beat patterns and she rolled with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Even if she's an athletic dancer – she knows how to work with her music and make it into art.  That's why I feel like learning and working a few basics – even if you don't intend to use them  – helps you experiement with the artistic side of pole whether you're athletic or dancey.

    Michelle Stanke's winning routine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrUsrKq4AZI

    Samantha Star http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHkB9YKUlNM

    These are my current favorite examples of differing styles of pole work but you can tell that both have spent time learning how to be artistic and work with music to produce a great show 🙂

     

  • luvlee

    Member
    October 15, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    I love pole because you will never get all the tricks. There are new ones every week at least because you inspiring ladies make new ones up. Once I get tricks, I like to try to tie them together on the pole, but that is hard on a short pole. I feel like I started off being a fast learner, now, I struggle to get one move. I do not care though. I love it.

  • Krista Bocko

    Member
    October 15, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Ditto, Charley! I literally laughed and cried when I saw Michelle and Samantha's routines….they were THAT amazing.

  • luvlee

    Member
    October 15, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    I loved both vodeos. However, I think that we are assuming tricks need to be on the pole. In this case, I still saw mostly tricks and walking from one pole to the other, however, there what I would call tricks on the floor too! I mean, I csn not just whip out all that stuff? Can you guys? Well, Charley probably can, but I can that all floor tricks. LOL!!!! I want to be able to do that stuff too, but it is still hard to learn that stuff.

  • Angie La

    Member
    October 15, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    I am really glad I decided to post this! I was just reminded of how far back my trick addiction went when I read the post about how long to was before first inverted. I never actually danced until I had been doing pole for about 9 months. I did some combos but that is hardly dancing, really, bc to actually dance is very challenging!! I absolutely LOVED Michelle’s performance mostly bc it was about her expression, movement, and DANCE, more than just tricks. I was nailing tricks left and right but when I wanted to dance, I was walking around the pole in a daze (what to do next?) and always doing the same default tricks and combos. The trick I was learning were not even sticking!!! I could not default to them–they were not in my HEART. That is what moves me when I see a great video, or performance. I love the free flowing movement, like someone is flying, the creative transitions… There has not a lot of hair splashing that has ever made me say, oh now that was great. I know I can do tricks, now I want to put them to use! So, Charley how did you get out of that trick trap? I’m just hitting the year and a half mark and really try not to compare myself to what others can do. I’m trying to just dance and only work on a new trick once a week–maybe not at all, I’d be ok with that. I find myself really frustrated when I freestyle. I see people like Tracee, who amazes me each time I see her stuff, but its mostly the movement and expression that gets my attention. Today, I just did a lot of spins and spin variations (extended leg, chair combos, etc). I’m trying to get the creative juices flowing, haha.

    Thank you all so much for your insight!!!

  • Angie La

    Member
    October 15, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    @Charley, I love this blog entry!! It sounds very much the way I felt before having my pole renaissance. Being that I’m still in the early stages of changing my thought process, maybe I am not really “stuck” after all…just moving more slowly.

  • donnalee

    Member
    October 15, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    I love watching tricks. I think my favorite moves are pole tricks and floor tricks. I will tell myself, "Practice floor work. You don't do enough of that." And then on the floor, all I want to do is practing rolling over. It's the kid in me. I want to tumble around and flip over.  I like everything in pole though. The dancing, pirouettes, pretty climbs, tricks. I am posting a link below to one of my favorite routines.  Strictly trick focused.  

    Many people here on SV have probably already seen this. She is a pole legend.  Anyone new to pole will like learning and watching this person, Sarah Cretul. 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-ko6rX76r0

  • Angie La

    Member
    October 15, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    I have not seen this video of Sarah Cretul but something about her reminds me of Karol Helms, lol. I like Karol a lot so I think this is also really great! Her tricks are very strung together. When I say trick addiction, I mean I was just learning one move before I had already thought about the next moves I was ready to learn–of course just not really committing anything to memory, never stringing them together than just a couple of combos. I think these kinds of tricks are great and should certainly be showcased (; but doesn’t she also have an element of flair to her? I think this is what makes her tricks stand out. I just love that quick double/triple? pirouette she did.

  • CapFeb

    Member
    October 15, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    I challenge myself as hard as I can with…

    spins!

    While inverting and different mounts are really impressive, I love the feeling of….hm…I don’t even know the word–fluidity I feel when I string together a nice combo of pirouette variations and spins. The first pole move I ever wanted to learn was the pretzel spin, and while I can’t currently preform any one handed spins, when I can put that stress on my arm again it will definitely be a move I will force myself to learn 🙂 spin fluidity is something so overlooked by the community sometimes when a majority of the competitive scene has turned into almost strictly vertical gymnastics with one or two floorwork transitions. Honestly, I think I personally shy away from floorwork because it has the word “work” in it :p

  • Sassypants

    Member
    October 15, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    I think that's the main difference between pole fitness and pole dance. Pole dance really does have that added artistic element to it. What would look good together, or with the music? What feels good to you? There's a flow involved. 

     

    I was in a trick frenzy for a while. I think it's a normal part of pole… you want to do things that "normal" people can't. Once I had a few tricks on tape though, I decided there was some fine-tuning I had to do on what I had learned before continuing. Like… my invert? Man I though I had it but it turns out it's kinda crappy. So I'm focusing now on being AWESOME at the few things I know rather than being okay at many things.

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