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  • what are studio owners doing wrong

    Posted by success soon87 on August 30, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    Its been seeing and hearing of so many studios either losing students or losing their business. What are some are studio ownwrs doing wrong?

    Jacki C replied 10 years, 11 months ago 31 Members · 52 Replies
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  • Webmaster

    Administrator
    August 30, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    There is no simple answer to this, however this is not untypical of young industries like pole.

    In the beginning people who simply have a passion for the purpose find their way into running businesses, the unique nature of the service is enough to bring in customers.  As time progresses, their business loses its shiny new appeal, and things mature, they find that it takes more than just passion to run a business.  Running and marketing a business is a skill unto itself and it often involves making decisions that run counter to who the business owner is.

    Business owners need to understand their value proposition, their market, their services, their limitations, the role their competition plays in the marketplace and many other things in order to stay ahead of the curve and many simply aren't cut out for it.  

    There is no shame in this, business like pole is a skill unto itself and the great majority lack enough interest to persue it to its end.

  • KenzieCaliente

    Member
    August 31, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    I’m not an owner, but I teach at a studio. What I’ve found is that the beginner students are very excited and coming to classes regularly, but they fizzle as things get harder. They don’t expect inverting to be as difficult as it is, and they’re not fans of doing the strengthening exercises to get the moves like inverts and shoulder mounts. Or, they say they can do it, then kick up into it and get frustrated when they’re corrected and encouraged to use strength instead of momentum.

    It’s hard to keep students motivated during that time, and that’s where people tend to drop out from my experience.

  • Webmaster

    Administrator
    August 31, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    Kenzie – A very common mistake is to setup a progression or culture that you can fail out of.  The great majority of participants in any extracurricular activity are merely looking to break up and vary their life a little bit, not become top pole performers.

    Try giving people new things to do with what they currently know rather than encouraging them to break into that next move.  Routines or variations would be good, keep your customers engaged but don't stress them out too much, they have enough opportunity for failure in the rest of their lives.

  • KenzieCaliente

    Member
    August 31, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    Yeah, I try to add to what they already know. Whenever people come in, I always ask what their goals are whether they want to compete one day, or are looking for fun. I’ve had a bunch of students recently tell me they want to compete one day, and ask about inverting while they’re in their first month. I always try to explain that there’s more to pole than inverting, and they need a solid foundation before moving onto advanced things, but I’ve had students recently who want to skip that middle phase. One woman asked to go upside down in her first class!

    There are many amazing pole dancers out there who make everything look super easy, so I think some students don’t realize all the work and training that goes into it.

    It’s hard to walk the line of being realistic with people who want to advance as quickly as possible while keeping it fun and attainable. They go on YouTube and show me a video of a move or a combination they want to learn that is far above their current level. I try to modify it or give them strength training things to do to work toward that particular goal, but they give up if they don’t get it right away. I also have students who only stretch once a week and ask why they don’t have their splits after working on it for 1 month.

    I guess my frustration comes from a culture where most things are advertised as accelerated and easy. There’s accelerated schooling, pills for fast and easy weight loss, exercise programs that advertise 6 pack abs in 7 minutes, and self help books that can change your life in a month, or get rich quick schemes by helping a Nigerian prince. Pole is old school training, discipline and hard work, and goes against that fast and easy culture.

    Of course I’d never say that to my students! I also know this sounds really negative. I taught this morning and had one student who had that attitude so it’s fresh frustration. Her goal is a shoulder mount, but she was only willing to try it twice before she said she was done for the weekend with it. I’m normally much more positive when it comes to teaching!

  • success soon87

    Member
    August 31, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    Wow that does sound frustrating. I’m guilty of wanting to go crazy when I first started pole too. So you guys think the downfall may start with the student goals and patience?

  • abcollins1

    Member
    August 31, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    Trust me, its a very real frustration in the fitness industry as a whole. Those weight loss gimicks, pills. and promise of quick abs lead people to believe that they can get the body they want with minimal effort in 12 weeks.

    People often seem like they only want to hear what they want and not the truth, so as a trainer/nutritionist/fitness instructor… its such a fine line to walk between keeping people coming to classes and training sessions and getting them results/not scaring them because the reality is changing the body is hard work and usually not what the magazines promote.

    I always try to educate along with the training but it can be so hard to not get frusterated when there are tons of myths and gimicks all vying for their attention.

    On the plus side, being a trainer gives me perspective to know that poling is challenging and will take time, part of the reason i love it so much IS the challenge.

  • SunshineKonigin

    Member
    August 31, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    My studio is doing well.  One of the things I feel that has been very helpful is having regular showcases (recitals).   It helps to keep the students motivated.  It also helps them in their own lives.  It takes a ton of courage for many of them to get out there and show their stuff.  It helps them to feel good about themselves, to feel like they can do anything.    

       I straitght up tell my students all the time that pole is about their own personal journey.  It's about you feeling good about yourself.   It's about actually wanting to get your workout.  It's about getting a full body weightlifting and cardio (dancing) workout that's fun!!!!   It's about them.  That's my motivation for going to work every day.  I want to help people feel good about themselves.   That's why they keep coming back. 

    I'm also extremely mindful of the business end of things, and I'm starting off super small…. tiny.  It's just me right now.   It's important to keep the overhead low!!!!

     

  • chemgoddess1

    Member
    September 1, 2013 at 8:50 am

    Sunshine!!!!!!
    Webby hit one very important point, you have to understand your business and business in general to make anything successful. I cannot tell you how many people I have talked to in this industry whose biggest frustration is people not being professional. Look at the pole drama thread that has been going on. How many people have called a studio and not gotten a call back? How many have had classes cancelled on them? How many have been treated poorly when they walked in the door? There are so many that really need to take a class on professionalism and on basic business practices. Even the most water tight business plan can sink if you are unprofessional.

  • Mary Ellyn

    Member
    September 1, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    It's a business! As webby said, the most common problems are business related…and have very little to do with how passionate you are about pole dancing!

    You have to be many things…a good pole dancer, a good teacher, and a good business person!!!

    So many people walk into a studio, count heads and multiply that by the cost of the class and thing wow…this is a great business to get into. They don't realize the long hours needed each week or that the hours are NOT family friendly since most students want to take classes in the evenings when you want to be home with your family.

    They don't realize the cost to running the business…insurance, licensing, equipment, ongoing training for yourself and instructors, accounting and book work, etc…then they complain that these costs are not fair (even though other non-pole businesses have these costs) because they are "just small business owners".

    And it's not just specific to pole dancing. The statistics are that out of all new businesses, 80% fail in their first year. Then 80% of the remaining fail in their second year so that only about 4% on average are still open in their third year. This applies to ANY type of business, including pole.

  • pegasusaerialfitness

    Member
    September 2, 2013 at 7:43 am

    I just don’t think most people are cut out for owning their own business. Some people think..ohh how fun, ill make my own hours and everyone will pay me “this” and all the classes will be full. If you are not ready for it too be “all consuming,” and take up a portion of your thought processes every waking minute..then it’s not for you. Most people do not want to do that. I wouldn’t have it any other way.

  • adAstra

    Member
    September 2, 2013 at 8:07 am

    Chem–yes! I think a lot of people forget the level of professionalism is required in any business, not just pole, and want to have a "fun-only" project. Another topic I have heard come up within studios from friends that attend class is sometimes instructors/owners can become so wrapped up with their own vision that they forget what students are coming to the studio for. Showcases, as Sunshine mentioned, and the challenges that are done on SV seem like an awesome way to keep students engaged 😀 

  • HotelChick

    Member
    September 2, 2013 at 10:25 am

    As a small business owner, my question is often the opposite, “why does anyone STAY in business?” When we are entering our new venture, we are optimistic and energetic, and we need that fuel to push us through the chaos of learning how to be in business. But, after we’ve experienced the complete lifestyle transformation and felt the toll it takes on our families, why do we stay? Once you’ve lost so much of yourself to your dream, losing your business is just numbers on a computer screen, so, why do we stay, what makes us fight so hard to be the 4% who persevere and succeed (depending on your definition of success). As someone who has come close twice to losing her business, I can say there are two reasons I’ve stayed and survived in my industry for 6 years. One is pride. Seriously. At some point I realized I wasn’t working for myself but for the 12 others I employ. Those single moms raising their kids off the income I provide. Those kids needed ME for their food and their school clothes and for their Mommy’s fulfillment and for her pride because she finally worked her way off welfare. That’s huge and hard to walk away from.
    The 2nd thing you need to survive is someone strong at home supporting you, your family, and your finances. I thank God every day for my husband’s strength. He suffers too but he does it quietly so he can support me and our household.
    If people knew these things before they entered business for themselves, fewer businesses would fail, because fewer people would subject themselves and their loved ones to the pressure of maintaining a dream that has become too much reality.

  • Just4Pole

    Member
    September 5, 2013 at 11:25 am

    I still have my enthusiasm for pole, but unfortunately I have lost my enthusiasm for the studio. While I was traveling, I recently visited a different studio and attended their classes. I was very impressed with the owner's professionalism and business demeanor. She had a plan for the class and her students. In fact, I could tell she has a plan for her business to go places and I believe she will. I don't invert yet and she was adamant about going through a process of steps in order to prevent injury. For example, not kicking into an invert. Additionally, because of her process, planned steps, and teaching methods, I can now comfortably do a headstand.

    This all got me thinking because I had a pretty bad injury in the beginning and I was too dumb to realize what was happening until I started watching the videos on this website. 

    Sigh…I no longer want to attend studio classes watching an instructor figure out what she wants to do the next 45 minutes. This makes me sad because I really loved it there. All I want is education and a plan to progress. I am serious about pole even though I don't plan on competing. It is, however, more than just "play" for me. 

    The only options for pole where I live are either the studio I was attending or another studio that only has "open pole" two days a week. 

    I just told my husband last night that I was getting a pole. He doesn't think I have room. It will be tight, but I need lessons with a plan. I will be buying a StudioVeena pole. 

    So my 2 cents worth "what are studio owners doing wrong?" They don't have a plan.

    Thank you Studio Veena for having a plan. 

     

     

  • SpyralBound

    Member
    September 5, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    I'd agree with others, the most likely culprit is people who have no business going into business. 🙂 i.e. they think passion + vision is all they need and the rest will work itself out. Optimism is fine and all, as long as you balance it with realism. 

    I think one big reason the studio I go to is doing well, and has been doing well for a few years now, is that they offer a whole lot more than pole classes. Of course this makes it frustrating to me as a student sometimes because that means pole has to compete with other things on the schedule, and they keep adding more and more non-pole stuff. But I do think that's why the studio runs as well as it does, because it's not *just* relying on pole students as a source of revenue. That, and the owners clearly have their heads on straight when it comes to running the business. 

    I'm getting ready to go into business on my own soon too – not pole-related at all, but as a writing consultant & coach – and I tell you what, working at a small business for the last two years with a boss who is VERY transparent about how the business is running, has been hugely educational for me. I wouldn't dream of trying to launch a business without the knowledge I've gained here. I mean, there's a reason that people get master's degrees in business administration – it ain't easy to figure out as you go! 

  • Gwynhafra

    Member
    September 5, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    I stopped going for two reasons– it was a 70-mile drive one-way to get to the nearest studio and the studio started hiring male teachers who had no idea how difficult it can be to build upper body strength.  It's very frustrating when they don't know how to teach the moves because they can just do them naturally.  There also was not as much a focus on doing things safely as I would like.  However, that studio is very successful and has opened a second location, so I might be an odd one for not liking the direction it was going.

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