StudioVeena.com Forums Discussions Aerial frustration – I need to vent

  • CD Hussey fka Jivete

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    February 14, 2013 at 11:12 am

    I’m sorry, safety before style. Style comes with strength. Why an instructor wouldn’t allow modifications while learning is beyond me.

  • Lyme Lyte

    Member
    February 14, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Electra, a front walk over is taking the silks on both sides, bringing them behind your back, tucking forward and lifting your butt up and over.  For the back walkover it is holding the silks on either side, tucking your legs up and flipping over….at least that is what they call it.  I feel VERY unstable doing this just with holding on with my fingers.

  • chemgoddess1

    Member
    February 14, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Elektra, my back and front walkovers were basically back rolls and front rolls.  Started tucked, then worked pike then worked one leg at a time.  When you go backwards your arms are now twisted in the fabric so then you roll forward to untwist them.

     

    I just cannot imagine doing an invert without being locked in.

     

  • Lyme Lyte

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    February 14, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Yes, just like Chem said!  So the first time I did that, I totally lost my grip on my left hand and fell on my head….only a few inches but still!

     

  • Lyme Lyte

    Member
    February 14, 2013 at 11:26 am

    The only thing hurt was my ego….LOL.  But still, I didn't want to do it again.  I asked if I could wrap and they wouldn't let me.  Therefore, I DID manage it.

  • chemgoddess1

    Member
    February 14, 2013 at 11:29 am

    I am not talking about wrapping while climbing, I am talking about wrapping when inverting.

    Kinda like this:

     

    http://b.vimeocdn.com/ts/297/173/297173101_640.jpg

     

  • chemgoddess1

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    February 14, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Not sure if this will post or not as it is from FB.

     

    http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/264802_10150231022599686_7720422_n.jpg

  • Lyme Lyte

    Member
    February 14, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Yes Chem, agree!  I climbed the 20 foot silk withouth any locking of foot or hands but  It was scary as hell trying to come down.  I really had to use my feet for "braking".  But going upside down, even from the ground, I feel like my hands should be locked.

  • wildredhead24

    Member
    February 14, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    To make things more clear – the person in charge of the silks act has become "distracted" by her other acts in the show and has left these girls to fend for themselves. These girls have had just a few lessons between them. When confronted, her (act leader) defense was that the girls  were doing just fine and learning new things by teaching each other. 

    Of course since they only have three tricks between them, the girls bought books to learn more things. After they asked their act leader for help and were denied. I am not angry with the girls, they are just trying to learn, however they are trying things way above their skill level. Two of them can not even invert and they are exhausted after 2-3 minutes in the air. 

  • Elektra Vallens

    Member
    February 14, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    The reason I asked is because it did sound like something you would use wrist hitches for. I know the excercise as a "skin the cat", and we do use wrist hitches.  So, yeah, I find it a little odd your instructor would insist on you not wrapping your wrists.  What I find really concerning, though, is that it doesn't sound like your instructor is listening to you. If a student says they feel unsafe doing something, they should not do that thing, regardless of the objective safety of it.  Even falling onto a crash mat can be dangerous; I sprained a toe that way not long ago.  Anyway, the next time the teacher tried to get you to do this, I would recommend asking them WHY they are insisting on not using wrist locks.  My guess is that they want you to build grip strength.  If that's what they say, you can simply ask if there's another way to build grip strength, say, by climbing, or doing some modified excercise like open-handed pull ups in the silks. (That way, you'll at least fall on your feet, not your head, if you let go)

  • Elektra Vallens

    Member
    February 14, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    One more thing: when I originally said that inversions with no wrist hitch are normal, I meant the standard straddle inversion.

  • chemgoddess1

    Member
    February 14, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    Wildredhead, yeah, this is not a good situation.  I have only had a few lessons and there is no way I would ever agree to be in a show.  While I can do a lot of things because of my time with pole none of it is in any way "pretty" or even performance ready.

     

    Elektra..it is exactly like skin the cat on monkey bars.

     

    Lyme, how do you get your grip for climbing?  Are you even wrapping the feet or is she having you do free climbs?

  • Lyme Lyte

    Member
    February 14, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    For climbing I have both silks in front of me which I can hold that way….maybe because it is bigger and in front????? then for my feet, I put one leg around the silk and use my other foot to hold it on (on the top of my foot).  Then when I climb, the slilk just slides over my foot as I bend my knees up.  When I am ready to advance another step, it put the bottom of my free foot over the top of my foot the silk is over to kind of hold it in place and straighten my legs…..

  • CD Hussey fka Jivete

    Member
    February 14, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Don't worry, Lyme, using your feet for breaking is what you're supposed to do and using them excesssively in the beginning is normal. The more comfortable you get, the easier it becomes. In fact, there are several ways to descend without hands at all!

    I understand wanting to encourage inverting without wrist wrapping to help build hand strength once a student has sufficient strength, but before?

    I don't care if there are mats or not, falling should usually be avoided. A girl in my lyra class falls constantly. Talk about encouraging bad habits.

  • Elektra Vallens

    Member
    February 14, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    @ Lyme: Yeah, that's a standard climb.  If you're not comfortable going all the way up to the top, you should tell your instructor.  You can just do twice as many half climbs until you get more comfortable.  In general, it sounds like the issues you're having are coming from your instructor pushing you to do things you're not ready to do yet.  You should defeinitely let the instructor know, and if they're a good instructor, they'll modify things for you.

    @Chem: I'm not sure I understand your question about wrapping your feet in a climb vs a free climb.  Do you mean wrapping your feet the way Lyme described?  If so, what do you mean by a free climb?

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