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Deadlift Elbow Stand Help
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hm, something looks sort of funky. are your elbows aligned under your shoulders? it looks liek they're spread very far apart– if they're further then shoulders-distance apart, then your weight isn't trasnferring correctly down through your shoulders, upper arms, and into the ground.
you may find it easier to actively press into the ground with your fingers interlaced, rather than palms facing down.
i would recommend setting up a little closer to the pole, so you don't "fall" into it, and try to really balance your weight in the straddle and hold it after you pull your hips all the way up– really engage through the core and find that balance, and work the negative (bring the straddle back down) as well =) as you get more comfy, try them further away from the wall/pole and balance without touching the pole at all- and then go freestanding in the middle of the room =))
great job! huge progress, good for you!!!
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I agree with amy on all of the points she talked about. If you go back to the lesson you'll see a close look at arm placement and my suggestions for the hands as well. Having your hands flat with fingers spread will give you a nice base. https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif
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Sparrow, I love your variation going into a backbend!!! Looks very pretty! I'm gonna try 🙂
Your elbows look very far apart as Amy already mentioned, but I also noticed that your palms are facing down. Maybe try clasping your hands (still in front of the pole) and press down through the pinky side. That also helps keeping the elbows in 🙂
I think I'm having different definitions of 'elbow stand' and 'deadlift' than the rest of you folks because I'm used to yoga nomenclature and I noticed the same terms mean different things sometimes.
Let me explain what I meant with some pictures:
If the head touches the floor (even though most of the weight should be on the forearms), it is a headstand. this is what emotioncatcher ans Amy talk about. Deadlifting no problem. Like amy mentioned, I never cup my hands around the pole, I lift freestanding and then find the pole with my butt.
http://yoga-a-porter.com/wp-content/uploads/headstand2.jpg
Forearm or elbow stand, Pincha Mayurasana, you are standing on the forearms, but the head is off the floor at all times, even when going up. This one I can't deadlift with both legs at the same time because my shoulders are not open enough to bring my hips over my shoulders. Haven't seen anyone deadlift this one at all. I've seen people lift into headstand and then lift the head off the floor though like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVjXtq2cMPc (she's also deadlifting a handstand at the end). Lifting controlled leading with one leg is no problem.
http://img08.shop-pro.jp/PA01034/578/etc/rachel_forearm_stand.jpg
Handstand, obviously, you are on your hands, and I can almost deadlift w. both legs with the back against the pole, still need a little push from my toes. Hopefully, one day I'll deadlift in the middle of the room 🙂
Deadlift, to me, means lifting both legs off the floor at the same time without pushing off. Not leading with one leg and following with the other,like lifting from a standing split (as Natasha Wang does it so beautifully), no matter how slow. Not hopping the feet off the floor either.
If anyone can lift with both legs into Pincha Mayurasa, I'd love to see a video because I'd like to learn, if it's possible 🙂
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tine– i call this http://www.jennchiarelli.com/photos/photo03.jpg a yoga headstand, and the first picture that you have below, a forearm headstand or elbow headstand or just a forearm or elbow stand. the second picture i call a handbalancing forearm stand. i agree with your terminology but most polers i teach aren't familiar with yoga, contortion, handbalancing– or anything other than pole, really– (and neither was I, or most of my early teachers!)… and so it's easier to call the forearm headstand by the shorter (lazier) forearm stand instead.
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and yes, i consider a deadlift to be both legs off the floor at the same time, and i'd also add that i don't think its a deadlift if you are relying on improper positioning of the hands/head/elbows to use weight shift alone to get your feet up, rather than compeltely pressing up with core– what i mean by that is when people set up very far from the wall/pole and let their hips drop back and arch their back, then pull teir legs up, instead of stacking weight over their hands, and pulling their legs up with a rounded back.
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ooh, did i invent a variation?! LOLOL
thanks for all the tips! hmm. need to work on this more. I guess i have so many thoughts in my head as far as where to place hands and the placement of the hands (ie-flat or lace fingers) that I don't know what's best for me. So, more practice!
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Well, I tried last night and still couldnt do it but it was closer! Now that I understand I will keep working on it and hopefully post a video soon. I will keep at the headstand variation as it makes me feel better to be able to deadlift my legs there! lol This has been very imformative- thanks all TONS! Cant wait till I can post that I have it!
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just a last little tipp for the right elbow distance: i place my elbows on the ground and grab my left elbow with the right hand and the right elbow with the left hand. then i let my elbows on that distance and place my hands in the prefered position (around pole or flat)
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I'm making you all a video that will hopefully help you see the difference between a headstand, elbowstand, forearmstand, and handstand. Then I need to get back to work on hooping lessons! https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif
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That would be great, Veena!!! https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_cheers.gif Too many names and variations…
Amy, thank you for explaining, it makes sense 🙂 I just keep forgetting and was writing my first comment with the wrong pose in mind… We call your yoga headstand tripod or headstand 2 (there's at least 7 different ones in yoga to make it even more confusing…)
I totally agree on lifting from the core vs. dragging the feet up by sticking the butt out. I was taught the deadlift by just lifting the toes into a tuck (knees to chest) and then un-curl up from there, to make sure you use core and stay hollow 🙂 Straddle and pike lift came only after A LOT of practice doing the tuck.
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i had no idea that elbow stand and forearm stand refers to something different. i´m really curious now ^^ can´t wait to watch your video veena
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Can someone check out my form? I just uploaded a video to my profile ("elbow stand deadlift?") and I'm not sure if I'm having the same problem.
I wrote this in the description but I'll copy it here:
Am I doing this right? Should my elbows be directly underneath my shoulders (bent at a 90 degree angle) while I lift up? They look like they're too bent to me and I thought that might mean that my weight is too far behind me and I'm falling into the pole, but my legs are already up before my back actually hits the pole and my hips appear to be stacked, so I'm not sure…
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^ Yeah, HollySatine, it looks more like a headstand than forearm/elbow stand. Your biceps should be parallel with the pole, shoulders/elbows aligned, with hands flat on the floor (see my pic below).
Also I agree with deadlifting into it is way harder than headstand or handstand deadlifting. I lead with 1 leg too. Actually I agree with Tine007, I think only contortionists or super bendy ppl can do this massive task! Hahhaha! I've only seen it twice in person and well… they were both contortionists.
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Okay…so in looking for examples of a deadlift in action, I found this one of Felix Cane (super bendy!) and she does a lift at 1:57 here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5G1jRJo9ek&list=FL5PM1t28sq000H6d5N0V3Pw&index=72. She starts out closer to the pole with her hands wraped around the base, but her biceps do not appear to be parallel with the pole as she lifts her legs – so I guess my question is, is this also still improper form, and does it really matter if they're not exactly parallel during the lift as long as you take the weight off your head and align everything once your legs are up? Is there a danger in this?
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The beginning of Felix's deadlift was improper form with arms bent for a split second. She used the pole as an extra balance point to deadlift up. But after, she used proper form as she straightened her arms up and looked to the floor.
The only real danger I can see is falling on your head or face. If there's no pole, then you'd just fall flat on your back. LOL!
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