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Help please – Can’t progress to next level
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Thanks heaps SV 🙂 the studio teaches the shoulder mount from the floor too, but I will definitely take a look at your lesson as well, and I will practice some more from the ground. Its probably also the fact that when I do mansge to do the SM from standing, I think I might be so shocked that I might forget to hold on!!
Re the term “she”, it must be a cultural thing – one of those things that’s perfectly OK in one country, but may be considered rude in another (like cursing, or nudity, for example. ) I was brought up in England and as children we were always told off for referring to someone as “she” instead of using their name, but as I said, I wasn’t offended, but some people might be. Hope this clarifies the situation 🙂
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That's so interesting! "She" is just a pronoun here in the US. I find things like this come up in the chat room and because we're a global site I'm always learning something new!! https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif
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That is interesting! I never knew about that quirk of British English (and I'm kind of a language nerd.)
In Japan it can be considered offensive to refer to someone as "you" unless the context of the statement requires it. It's more polite to avoid using the pronoun or a person's name at all, if you can. And other languages have different forms of pronouns depending on how familiar you are with a person (like tu/usted in Spanish and du/Sie in German).
I've heard that Americans have a reputation for being informal. Maybe because it's not something we usually even distinguish in our own language. 🙂
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I learned something new today, too. Pronouns are quite commonplace in our language. I never knew they were offensive in other languages.
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My parents and grandparents are all American born. My father always said this about referring to people as "she". He said it was as rude as pointing. I never had ANYONE else ever have a problem with it. My dad is in the wrong country lol. He is of German heritage…. Interesting.
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This was how I was taught to use the word: Used to refer to the woman or girl previously mentioned or implied.
In writing you would not customarily write "Mary will be at the gate at 4 pm to pick you up. I know you have never met Mary before, but Mary will be wearing a long purple coat and carrying a bouquet of roses. I have instructed Mary to take you directly to your hotel."
Just out of curiosity, how would that little blurb above be written instead?
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So this is my theory. If you can safely execute most of the moves in the level, and only one or two moves are "holding you back," you should still be able to safely move to the next level. Not every move is for everyone. The next level should have moves that you can learn fairly easily, and in learning the new moves it can help build your strength to get the moves you cannot right now, and help with motivation. If you move on and find it's not working, you can always go back to the lower level.
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I believe that using "she" instead of a proper name is considered rude in some languages, particularly in the presence of the referenced "she". Especially when "she" is not a familiar. Like someone mentioned above, using the familiar du vs the formal Sie in German. I suppose theoretically on a forum, we're all present, all the time. Afterall, she is the cat's mother.
I agree with checking out the next level, or taking the same level again with a totally different teacher. Often, we just need to hear things another way when i'ts an issue of mechanics. Seems like you feel a need for some change, because its no fun to be stagnant. I also think that sometimes stepping back from something that has challenged us to frustration is a good thing. We work on something else, gain strength, and come back to it later. Some moves just take a really long time to get. But while working on them, it helps to be learning some other moves/tricks/spins just to keep the mind fresh and satisfied. 🙂
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Hazi411,
I have also trained at Bobbi's for several terms and was in the exact same situation as you and got up to Int 3 and got stuck trying to do the Aerial Spinning Chopper!
I repeated that level probably about 3 x terms straight and because I wasn't training and conditioning my body enough to invert into a V from the ground consistently and gracefully, I started to feel bored and stagnant. After a while, I felt very defeated to see other girls in the level do well and hearing instructors place a lot of emphasis on this move, I decided it was time to move onto another studio and learn other moves.I only decided this after reading a lot of forum threads on this site and educated myself like everyone else said, that pole-dancing isn't a linear sport and you shouldn't let one or a few moves stop you from learning other moves.
I felt empowered going to my original home studio again after being absent for a year training at Bobbi's.
I have learnt other moves and whilst I still can't invert into a V consistently and gracefully, I put it down to lack of discipline to train myself for this and for this, I have only myself to blame.I think it comes down to how badly do you want to master this move/s? If it's a priority then always make time to condition your body and train for it.
Although like everyone else has said, don't let this stop you from enjoying the art of pole!!! https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif
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Chemgoddess1 – to answer your question regarding the blurb: "Mary will be at the gate at 4 pm to pick you up. I know you have never met Mary before, but Mary will be wearing a long purple coat and carrying a bouquet of roses. I have instructed Mary to take you directly to your hotel.", I would probably write "Mary will be at the gate at 4 pm to pick you up. I know you have never met Mary/her before, but she will be wearing a long purple coat and carrying a bouquet of roses. I have instructed her to take you directly to your hotel.", (which to my way of thinking/the way I was taught – which admittedly was many years ago and things may have changed since then! – is OK, because you have already said "Mary" so it's obvious that it is Mary you are talking about.)
AerialGypsy – I agree that not every move is for everyone, but at Bobbi's that doesn't seem to apply somehow. Everyone's expected to be able to master every move at each level – although a couple of the teachers have said that they find some moves difficult/challenging!
I've enrolled to do Intermediate 3 (again!) for a term – but only once a week, and also enrolled at another studio once a week, to give them a try. They have a much larger syllabus, so that should provide some variety and a few different challenges. I also plan to go to practice at Bobbi's on Fridays. Will see how that goes. I'm also planning to do Lyra in a couple of months, for a different kind of challenge too, and I hope to start Flex classes again at my original studio, now that my favourite instructor is back from maternity leave.
And yes, if I decide to move up a level at Bobbi's after this term, I can always move back down to a lower level if I find it too difficult (though I tend not to want to do that, as I don't like to feel I'm "giving up" as that's not in my nature!!)
corby – I was interested to see that you mentioned "she" being the cat's mother 🙂 That was what was said to us as children if we referred to someone as "she". The reponse would be "who is "she"? She's the cat's mother' (which I've never really understood!)
And yes, stepping back from something frustrating is a good idea 🙂
Juicy J – yes that's exactly my problem. I can invert to a V from the ground fairly consistently (except if I'm tired), but the aerial one is my nemesis! I make a point of coming out of the inverted V in a controlled way, as I've been told by several different instructors that you use the same muscles going into a move as coming out of it.
It probably doesn't help that I'm an older (and heavier) poler with a larger bone structure than a lot of the other students, and I see the 20-something year olds doing aerial inverted v's and shoulder mounts with the "knot grip" that Bobbi's uses, without a problem. Have to keep reminding myself that I must not compare myself with them! I plan to have a practice with some of the other grips for the shoulder mount and see how that goes, too.
Thanks again for all the help and suggestions.
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I am so intrigued by the whole "she" discussion. I think most americans would find that (to us) unnessesary over use of our names to be awkward. I get weirded out when sales people do that to me… Our version of the language is very informal and appears to be heading more so in that direction. A lot of older people do not like to be called ma'am or sir anymore (yes there are plenty that do) and in general regardless of familiarity we refer to people by their first names rather than Mr.smith or whatever. At any rate I would have NEVER thought twice about using she. Fascinating.
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The cat phrase comes from what cats are called: males = Tom cat, females = She cat. So the only time to use “she” is in reference to the cat’s mother. I think a big part of the “don’t use she situation” has nothing to do with not using pronouns, and everything to do with not using 3rd person pronouns in the presence of who you are talking about. Especially if the situation requires any sort of formality.
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When I posed my original question, I didn't envisage it becoming a discussion on grammar 🙂
I have 4 American-born and raised cousins. I remember their first visit to England. Even though their father is English, they still had quite a culture shock! Both Mum and I had met them before, but they hadn't met my Dad. I had to translate some of what my Dadsaid, because he used a lot of colloquialisms, and I also learned that there are words that don't seem to occur in "American English" – such as "queue" and "bloke" 😉
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The grip that Bobbi's studio uses for shoulder mount is in this video, at 3:18: http://polechampionship.com/competitors-semifinals/joanna/
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