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Marihuana: for, against or neutral?
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Good point sensual 🙂
I wasnt trying to say you were wrong in your opinions… I just think it would come with a lot more problems than we think if all drugs were to be made legal..
But all your points make sense 🙂 -
I know you weren't saying my views are wrong. 🙂
Everything comes with issues, but that's life. There are a lot of things that are legal that will harm us, like fast food, but most of us agree that they shouldn't be illegal and it's up to the individual to make the decision whether to ingest said food or not. Tylenol can cause acute liver failure in healthy individuals, but that is a risk the user takes. Ibuprofen can cause bleeding ulcers and you can hemmorage to death from it! I had a prescription that had the side effect of seizures listed (WTF?!) If a loved one were to ask me whether or not they should try meth, I'd say "hell no," but it's their life.
Unfortunately we live in a post Reefer Madness time and we are trying to undo the damage. Cocaine used to be in cola! and heroin used to be given as medication. Back then people didn't have a problem with that. Also, there was a time when birth control was illegal. Most of us agree that it is nobody's business except for the woman taking it. All growing up I believed what we were taught in school based on the anti drug campaigns, etc. I was born right around the tiome the war on drugs really kicked off, so I was taught IN SCHOOL that drugs (incuding mj are terrrible and ruin society.) Now that I am an adult who has 1) observed the facts, 2) seen how rediculous reefer madness is, 3) know why mj and hemp were really made illegal, and 4) done a lot of research because that's how I am, I've come to realize that I was brainwashed as a child per the war on drugs agenda. In reality, some drugs, like mj, ecstacy, mushrooms, etc are not that bad for you. They can cause problems, but they are not nearly as bad as some prescription drugs. Psilocybin (the active ingredient in magic mushrooms) is actually being studied and found to have medicinal uses. I believe ecstacy is also being studied and found to have some medicinal benefit as well, but I may be remembering incorretly.
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, I'm just stating what I have learned and how they have affected my views.
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I believe ecstacy was developed to treat schizophrenic patients in its pure lab form years ago. Another good point
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That's right! I thought I had read it somewhere.
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This could really be a charged subject, but it is not. I am so glad for that. I smoked it quite a bit when I was in High School. I was a social misfit, but a doobie a day kept me relaxed and able to handle the pressures of being a teenager. I do the same thing today, except it is Xanax (and only when needed) . Really no difference in the benefit I receive. Just one is legal and one is not. I have seen several documentaries on this subject. I believe in the legalization of marijuana. Especially for seizures, cancer, and some other medical issues. Some people are concerned about the "liberal" use of the term "medical need". There is a concern over how legalization would affect the Mexican drug cartels, etc. I think that there are a lot of people in charge who would like to legalize marijuana, but they are too afraid to stand up for it due to political backlash. That's what I took away from the documentary. My husband works for the Government so he cannot smoke until he retires. He has just under 3 years and has already started the countdown to "doobie day". Legal or not.
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I am pro mj but I admit there's a problem to it. Sometimes it's hard to make some people understand when they have become psycologically addicted, they are in denial and it's hard to help them. I guess this happens with any addiction.
In my perosnal experience, I used to buy every 3 months and when I didn't have it I didn't even think about it, I didn't even remember to buy every month but when I had it at home I couldn't keep from smoking every day. Just a small dose every day was affecting me because I felt kind of silly all the time and after the first week without stopping I didn't even enjoy it much, I just slept and ate too much, it made me depressed and sometimes by the end of the month I got sick from the bad habits. Feeling silly and slow affected my training a lot so as I noticed I couldn't keep it at home without abusing it I just stopped buying. I tried being responsible about it so I could continue using it because I like it but I always found an excuse like "I had a bad day, I'll smoke a joint and relax" or "I had a good day, I'll smoke a joint and celebrate". And after a week I would start being late everywhere, including work. So right now I only smoke in very rare ocassions and I don't keep any at home. I will not buy it while training, but probably I'll get some for summer vacations when I spend most of my time with my best friends who don't smoke much and they don't want me to smoke everyday. I think one must have some rules to respect that depend on the person. In my case it's "not while training" and "not while I'm alone".
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Persian, do you by chance have the full study? That abstract really says nothing. Being a researcher I really like to look at what they measured, how they measured it and the statistical analysis that they used to come up with their conclusion. So much lies in the numbers. And I would really like to compare that study to say one that looks at energy drink consumption by teens.
That being said, I know a few people that actually are involved in OMCA and getting it on the ballot here in Ohio. I think many would be extremely surprised at the people who smoke regularly….it is just not well known. There have been more studies about MJ use and its effects; there is probably more research about each of its constituents then there are for the majority of pain medications that are currently on the market. There is even a pharma company that is currently trying to get one of the chemicals approved as drug so that they can totally shut down medical marijuana. Some of the stuff I read utterly shocks me. That being said, if I was in constant pain or had some of the other diseases that cannabis has been proven to help I would MUCH prefer something organic and natural over any drug that could be prescribed to me.
Do you have any idea how many people are in prison due to possession? How much money is spent fighting cannabis? Do you have any idea how much money could be brought in by legalizing and taxing cannabis? Do you have any idea how many people are addicted to pain medications? Did you know that the FDA is currently considering new pain meds that are stronger and consequently more addicting that what is on the market right now?
The LD50 of THC is 1270 mg/kg: this is 104 POUNDS of THC for a 180 lb male to cause death in half of the subjects. (BTW, the average joint conatins about 10 mg of THC). The toxicity of this plant is so low that the possibility of overdose is extremely low (you would have to smoke 10,287 joints in a short time frame to be at the LD50). The pros on this FAR outweight the cons.
I am with the people who said they would rather be around people who smoke than people who drink.
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I can try to find it tonight. I technically qualify for a cannibis card because I deal with bad nausea and severe stomach pain almost on a daily basis but I choose not to get it. Instead I switched my meds and started taking more supplements and its been helping.
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Just because it's "natural" doesn't mean its healthy and can't harm you. It causes permanant damage to the lungs and skin. Anytime you inhale any kind of smoke, you are damaging the mucosa of your airways and injuring the lung tissue.
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just want to point out a couple of facts here:
marijuana doesn't have to be smoked. it can easily be eaten, or soaked into a tincture and swallowed. so there isn't necessarily smoke inhalation damage.
I'm not sure if people realize this but the pharmaceutical market in the US is not exactly the best thing since sliced bread. there are legalized medications that have horrendous side effects, that are widely prescribed, and we don't understand the neural mechanisms as to how they work, what they are actually doing, or what other effects they may be having.
i did my clinical masters in psych in drug addiction, and i dont think you all realize either how incredibly widespread manufactured drugs like meth have become– and how much more insidious, addictive, and neurologically harmful that htey are. marijuana is NOTHING in comparison. meth destroys entire communities, all over the US, and is much cheaper and more accessible in most communities. obviously illegal drugs are illegal, but you have to recognize that we are all adults. if someone smokes pot, or does drugs, it's the same to me as someone choosing to make any other lifestyle decision. Their decision.
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It is also the pharmaceutial industry that is trying to shut down the legalization of cannabis in the US. They will lose billions of dollars. It is the same reason they have been going after the supplement manufacturers. Again, I know quite a few in the supplement industry who have been raided and sent warning letters because X company was running clinicals and was about to get approval from the FDA for an extract of things that have been available OTC for years. Red Yeast Rice is what was studied to develop statins that are high dollar cholesterol drugs. Manufacturers are no longer allowed to state that RYR contains statins or can help naturally reduce cholesterol even though it has been around for centuries. Pharma was trying to shut down the ability to buy fish oil capsules because there is a prescription drug that has purified it and is on the market. This happened with vitamin B6 in 2009. Some company saw how great it worked for diabetes and kidney failure, along a list of other things, purified it and sent it to clinicals. Now any company that was selling B6 cannot it will be classified as an adulterated drug and every single supplement company that sold it was sent a warning letter. I read stories like this each and every day. I used to work in pharma and probably will be again in the very near future. If you have money the FDA can be bought. It is sickening but it is true.
I ask those who are so against it, are you against it because that is the way you were raised or do you have experience with someone in your life that it has harmed? Ther are so many other things on the market that we eat and drink on a daily basis that are so much worse for our bodies. Caffeine is a HUGE one but we don't even consider it as harmful. How many of you have ever stopped drinking coffee/tea/pop that contains caffeine. Lets talk about the withdrawls. Cigarettes anyone? MJ has been around just as long if not longer and the reaction that is stimulated in our bodies from nicotine is much greater than that which is created from marijuana.
But I digress once again with scientific mumblings…..
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I think if MJ becomes legal it will only be a matter of time they start to add chemicals to it like ciggarettes to maximize their profit. They already have these chemicals out to mimic the effect of THC. Mojo, spice, serenity are just some names of the synthetic marijuana. It has become a major problem, especially in my state…
My point is tobacco in its pure form is not neccessarily bad, but there are so many chemicals in a ciggarettes now… This will probably happen in the US over years if it become legal…
And then people who truely enjoy to smoke every now and then are stuck with manufactured garbage weed with chemicals in it….. -
Chem, you have my love!
Not only is the pharma part of the war against drugs, but so are the drug cartels! If drugs were legalized, the drug cartels would lose their huge profits, so they want it to stay illegal.
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I completely forgot about eating it (thanks Amy)! Oh yes, i had my share of hash brownies in the day as well.
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I have been to The Netherlands and the way that it is handled there is quite remarkable. They do have a few issues, however the plant is tested and graded and actually sold based on the type of buzz you will get (THC/CBD/CBN content). They also have an agency that will test any street drug that you purchase anonymously to be sure of its purity (at least they used to). The natives are not who they have issues with; it is all of the tourists that come over and get drunk and high and crazy. This is the same thing with alcohol in foreign countries; it is not a big deal to have a drink with dinner when you are young so there is less of the problems that we see as kids turn 21 or go off to college. It is always the wanting to do things that are taboo. And think of it, how many of you like pole because of the taboo?
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