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Pole Dancing? Not On Facebook
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I think this EXACT thing just happened to me today. I got an email saying my photos were in user violation, and my account is disabled. I’m really interested to see updates from you on the subject. I’ll keep you posted too.
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So far I haven’t heard anything from Facebook. I am considering e-mailing them about the situation and seeing if there is some way they can mark my account as already having been reviewed so that my current photos can’t just keep getting flagged over and over again, but the last time I e-mailed them all I got back was a typical form letter, and they never even responded to the part where I pointed out why I didn’t believe my photos to be in violation and asked them to reconsider. The only part of the e-mail they apparently paid any attention to was where I mentioned that they had not actually re-activated my account the way they said they had, so I’m not sure it’s even worth it.
I think what I am going to do is keep checking periodically and just try and pounce on it as soon as I can when it’s re-activated so that it doesn’t get flagged yet again and I have to go through this whole process for a third time. I will double check all my settings, plus I was going to upload some vacation photos and change my profile picture, even though supposedly that is supposed to only be viewable by my friends. However, Facebook’s privacy settings are a bit convoluted, so I may have not checked/unchecked something I was supposed to. I suspect that my profile pic is viewable but that my others are probably not, and I sort of have the suspicion that the complainer might be on my friend Heidi’s friends list judging by the timing of this last de-activation. She has a lot of very religious people on her list, which usually isn’t a bad thing, but several of them are definitely the uptight religious sort that would look on something like pole dancing as a sin. She posted on my wall right after Facebook finally re-activated my account, just saying something to the effect that ‘hey, I see you finally got your profile back up again’ and it wasn’t long after that that it was disabled again. Her having posted on my wall would have been listed in her activities, and anyone on her friends list would have been able to see that, and if they can see my profile picture, then obviously they would have realized it was not taken down and so they probably just re-flagged it.
Very, very frustrating. I hope you get your own situation sorted out soon, sosagely.
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I will double check all my settings, plus I was going to upload some vacation photos and change my profile picture, even though supposedly that is supposed to only be viewable by my friends. However, Facebook’s privacy settings are a bit convoluted, so I may have not checked/unchecked something I was supposed to.
Your profile picture is always publicly viewable by everyone. Even people who don’t have a facebook account. This is a default setting that cannot be changed. The whole point is your profile picture is like your business card – something someone can find and recognise you by.
As such, profile pictures have to adhere to stricter standards than your regular pictures, which can be hidden according to security settings. I think artistic or implied nudity is allowed, in private albums (ie no "bits" are seen, but technically you have no clothes on, for example). However, any nudity or implied nudity, possibly even suggestive sexual content (not sure, will have to re-read the terms) is strictly forbidden in profile pics.
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I could have sworn you could make your profile picture viewable to friends only. I guess not–obviously someone is flagging that one then. I wouldn’t have made a pole pic my profile picture except that pole pictures are the only ones I have up on Facebook–actually the whole reason for making the account in the first place was for a friend who wanted to see some pictures and video of me pole dancing, so I decided to make my Facebook account a kind of showcase for my pole progress. I’ve seen lots of other pole dancing profiles on Facebook, many with pole pictures as their profile shots and never anticipated such a problem.
Hopefully they’ll re-activate my account soon so I can upload some non-pole shots to use as a different profile picture, provided I can catch it before someone complains again. You’d think they’d have something better to do than to sit and watch my profile and make sure that a picture of me doing a CKR is removed. https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
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Yea I have had pole pics as my profile before, with no issues. And I’ve seen some super sexy profile pics – pics of just spread legs in heels and frilly pink panties etc. etc. It all depends on and whether or not someone sees it and then flags it!
Here’s the bit about your profile pic, from Facebook’s Privayc Policy:
Name and Profile Picture. Facebook is designed to make it easy for you to find and connect with others. For this reason, your name and profile picture do not have privacy settings. If you are uncomfortable with sharing your profile picture, you should delete it (or not add one).http://www.facebook.com/policy.ph
Also make sure you understand the difference between ‘Everyone’ and ‘All of my Friends/Networks’:
“Everyone” Information. Information set to “everyone” is publicly available information, just like your name, profile picture, and connections. Such information may, for example, be accessed by everyone on the Internet (including people not logged into Facebook), be indexed by third party search engines, and be imported, exported, distributed, and redistributed by us and others without privacy limitations. Such information may also be associated with you, including your name and profile picture, even outside of Facebook, such as on public search engines and when you visit other sites on the internet. The default privacy setting for certain types of information you post on Facebook is set to “everyone.” You can review and change the default settings in your privacy settings. If you delete “everyone” content that you posted on Facebook, we will remove it from your Facebook profile, but have no control over its use outside of Facebook.
Hope you guys get control of your accounts back soon. https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_flower.gif
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I just want to point out that facebook now considers a lot of your info, pics included, to be public information and you can no longer control who sees it. So if some under 18 out there sees it and gets offended, there’s not much you can do. Everything you post is ultimately fully public. And PLEASE do not post any professional pole pics to facebook. All pictures you upload become the sole property of facebook. I shoud post some info on facebook since I know a lot of people here use it. They are very deceptive about the service they offer.
I just wanted to clarify something in regards to this.
This is what the Facebook Statement of Rights says:
You own all of the content and information you post on Facebook, and you can control how it is shared through your privacy and application settings. In addition:1. For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos ("IP content"), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook ("IP License"). This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it.
http://www.facebook.com/terms.php
They need this clause so they are entitled to display the pictures on their website, store them and move them around on the servers, check them for privacy violations etc. Also, lets say you post a picture, and the one of your friends uses the ‘Share’ button and posts it their to THEIR wall as well, this clause allows facebook to let them do that. Of course, some photographers are still uncomfortable with the clause, because the wording does give way to loopholes, so many will not want you to post your professional pics on facebook.
Note how it says ‘subject to your privacy settings’. Facebook won’t go publishing your private pics to all the world. However, do keep in mind that facebook employees can obviously see your stuff, even if it’s private. So if that makes you uncomfortable – don’t put it on the internet!
More info on the topic here:
http://justjared.buzznet.com/2009/02/17/facebook-doesnt-own-your-info-pictures/
http://techcrunch.com/2009/02/16/zuckerberg-on-who-owns-user-data-on-facebook-its-complicated/ -
That’s a deceptivey simple clause. The part to worry about is the "transferable." that’s a very broad term. If they are trying to grant themselves a transferable right to reproduce, that to me constitutes a kind of ownership.
The other thing I worry about is explained best here: http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/04/facebook-timeline/ Kind of a read but worth it. Long story short, there’s a lot on your profile that you can only prevent being made fully public by witholding it, and that’s what has really changed most about their settings.
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Thanks for the info, everyone! I did not see an option for not having a profile pic when I first set up my account–otherwise I wouldn’t have had one. I thought it just automatically set one of your pictures as your profile pic, but as you can tell I’m not super social networking site savvy, and I’m used to Myspace’s settings. If I remember correctly, my sister had to help me with some of my Facebook settings, as she’d had one for a while.
Still no word from them on my profile. I’m hoping to get an e-mail from them soon so I can just fix everything so it will stop getting reported.
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So an update: it took two weeks and two e-mails for Facebook to respond to me this time, and this the crappy little form letter that was waiting for me when I got home from work today:
Hi Jennifer,
Your account was disabled because you violated Facebook’s Statement of Rights and Responsibilities. Prohibited behavior includes, but is not limited to:
• Creating or uploading content that is pornographic, sexually suggestive, or contains nudity
• Harassing other people with sexually explicit language
• Sending unsolicited friend requests or Inbox messages to people you don’t knowYou will no longer be able to use Facebook. This decision is final and cannot be appealed.
Please note that for technical and security reasons, we will not provide you with any further details about this decision.
Thanks,
Gianna
User Operations
FacebookSo they have completely kicked me off Facebook now. This is complete BS–they need to review their own freaking policy!! The profile picture that I’m sure started all of this was of me doing a cross knee release, in a regular old bathing suit that completely covered everything. I wasn’t even slipping cheek out the side of the bottoms or anything. I fail to see how that falls under ‘pornographic content, nudity, or sexually suggestive’ unless just having the pole there is sexually suggestive in and of itself, which I do not consider it to be. I guess they shouldn’t allow ballet barres either, since those could be turned vertical and become evil.
Everyone, if you have a Facebook account, check and double check that all your pole pics are really set to private. I thought mine were, but obviously I was wrong. I am trying to decide whether to make a new account under another e-mail and start over, or whether I should just say screw it after this experience. I don’t really want whoever got me kicked off to win, though, you know?
Does anyone know if they ban just by e-mail, or by I.P. address?
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That is bunk. Wow. What a bunch of buttclowns. That makes me want to burn facebook down. I know that’s not possible for so many reasons, but wow. One more reason to get off that site, in my opinion. They send you the same nasty email if you post a picture of yourself breastfeeding your child. God, why do these people think the female body is inherently pornographic or lewd whenever it is displayed??? https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_thumbdown.gif
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God, why do these people think the female body is inherently pornographic or lewd whenever it is displayed??? https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_thumbdown.gif
Exactly! I feel like I uploaded pornographic shots of me totally naked with my legs spread and all my bits hanging out from the way they are handling it. I guess because I am a woman and there was a pole involved, it is automatically lewd even though there was no nudity (no stripper shoes even) involved. It’s not at all about being, I don’t know, a strong athlete who has worked hard to get where they are? Sex is easy; hanging upside down from a pole by just your legs? Not so much. If pole dancing was all about the sex, a lot more people could do it.
This really just ticks me off, not just that someone would report a picture like that (because I know people like that are out there,) but that Facebook handled it in such a way. De-activate my account without even telling me why, take a week to get back to me only to let me know that I have photographic content on my page that is in violation of their policy, re-activate my account and then take it down again a day and a half later? Then take an additional two weeks and a couple of e-mail requests to respond to me, and just completely ban me from the site?!
I guess my body in a bathing suit is just that offensive.
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Does anyone know if they ban just by e-mail, or by I.P. address?
probably just email and not IP. Mostly since you can check FB anywhere so they wouldnt want to block and IP Addy.
I have had a stern talking to from FB. I uploaded pics of my kids at Xmas time and someone deemed one of my photos not cool for FB. Which from judging from the picture I could see where they are coming from. They just deleted my photo instead of taking me down completely. I just wish whoever flagged my pic would of talked to me first instead of just flagging it KWIM?
Im sorry FB and the culprit are not in love w/your pole pics like we are. Try a different addy and pseudo name and see if you can get another account.
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My aunt got kicked of FB like 3 times for writing anti bush comments, weird. She just makes a new email address and then sets up a new account with her middle name, or a alternate last name, or something like that. They don’t really catch on til you start pissing people off again. Good Luck!!
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They have a pole stars fan page and group, is that sexually suggestive?
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There are TONS of pole dancers on Facebook. It’s not like I’m the only one.
Considering the way Facebook handled my situation, I really don’t think they actually review anything. They just either disable your account or kick you off if someone complains about you, regardless of whether it’s legit or not. Which kind of defeats the whole purpose of having rules and guidelines in the first place, honestly.
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There are TONS of pole dancers on Facebook. It’s not like I’m the only one.
Considering the way Facebook handled my situation, I really don’t think they actually review anything. They just either disable your account or kick you off if someone complains about you, regardless of whether it’s legit or not. Which kind of defeats the whole purpose of having rules and guidelines in the first place, honestly.
Indeed.
I wonder if they have the man power to physically review content. I guess if we want promt responses from human workers, we need to pay for that service. Having said that, if they don’t have the capacity to review all content, I don’t think automatic banning is the appropriate solution.
They probably have some ‘multiple complaints, or complaints after period of suspension equals auto ban’ policy. It’s probably automated, where pictures that are flagged multiple times move higher up the list (or pics that need to be reviewed), and the owner gets black marks etc. Which might sound sensible at first, but obviously it’s not because situations like this can arise.
I’m sorry the whole thing went so poorly for you. https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_sad.gif
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