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Clavrot, it is a well known and researched fact that our fruit and vegetables do not contain all the vitamins and minerals we need nowdays, unless of course you grow your own organically. to think otherwise is ignorance.
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As i said before supplementation is about achieving optimum nutrition, therefore our cells perform better, which in turn helps us in numerous ways, firstly to achieve optimum health and well being, i for one am not dissapointed by this thread, a person asked a genuine question and people have given their honest answers, it has been interesting to hear others opinions, and just as yours and mine they are only opinions, which some have based on their own profssional advice and research.
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The truth is that supplements are just that, a SUPPLEMENT to good diet and healthy lifestyle. It should never be the basis of your diet and, as the others have said, anything you take should be researched throughly.
I take a few supplements as I said. I take a multi on DOCTORS orders. Found out a few years ago that i have a couple of nutirents that my body has a hard time getting from my foods. Even in a diet rich in those nutrients, my body just doesnt cooperate sometimes, leading to physical symptoms. I take a multi and much of those symptoms are alleviated.
I also take protein drinks at times. Sometimes i am running late, need cals and protein and dont have time to cook or make things. A protein supplement is useful at those times.
I also use a pre workout, because i teach a lot of classes and need to keep my energy high to motivate others in their workout. Other people count on my energy and motivation to keep them going in an hour long class. Sometimes that energy is hard to get when you have done 4 classes that week, plus lifted weights, plus pole classes, throw in the care of kids/home and volunteer work, and yeah i tend to get a bit tired!
So there are reasons to add supplements, but nothing will "tone and strengthen" and many supplements/products make a lot of claims that they cant back up. Top it off with lots of companies who use cheap products and charge crazy prices and you really need to know what you are taking and why before you buy.
Obviously, if i followed the advice of just eat, i would be not be able to function on a daily basis, nor would i be able to make a living.
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I guess it’s very personal. My disappointment comes not from the question posed or the thread itself, instead from the fact that the pharmaceutical companies producing ‘multis’ and so on are more influential than I had thought. I am vegan and get my bloods taken regularly. I have above average iron levels and am getting all the protein/ calcium etc I need from plant based nutrition. With the exception of b12, there is nothing that can’t be found in abundance in fresh fruit and veg. I understand why you take them to keep up that mega impressive schedule, as it is not easy preparing a great diet in this day and age, but personally i am very skeptical of all synthetic supplements. And would always ask people to seriously look to nature first.
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Being vegan it is extra important for you to consume the proper amounts of nutrients. If anything you should be a pro at this supplementing since you do not eat any meat or animal based product.
But your disappointment won’t be with these ladies it will be with yourself when you do not build the muscle needed for this sport.
There are vegan friendly suppliments
p.s when I typed gnu I meant gnc, gnu is open source software not a suppliment store.
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I just want to sneak in here and say for several demographics of women including some older women, it’s not a good idea to have multiple servings every day of super iron-rich greens like spinach. Too much iron from those foods can have a negative impact on bone growth/density and healing, so for example someone at risk for or suffering from osteoporosis or a broken bone would not want to elevate their iron levels.
Also those with kidney or liver problems can suffer serious negative effects from the way the body processes certain kinds of protein supplements.
The simple answer is that supplements are best used under the advice of your licensed medical doctor. Those with poor nutrient absorption because of secondary medical issues in particular can benefit from working with a doctor to form a plan for incorporating supplements and checking nutrient levels to monitor the effects. For those of normal, average functioning, nutrient absorption from food tends to be higher than nutrient absorption from some supplements. So again, a doctor’s advice can be really helpful. As others have mentioned, those who train very heavily in particular could benefit a lot from working with a licensed nutritionist as well- they are trained not only to help you eat what you need, but also show you how to make your meals varied and appetizing.
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I’m afraid I might have hit a nerve with the whole vegan thing. It’s maybe not the direction this should be going. Animal protein or not, it’s just a question of maths. If your required daily vitamins are not consumed in the form of natural food, then supplements will be necessary to remain healthy and strong. All I’m saying is if we all (me included as my diet is far from perfect) took an honest look at our food intake, with the help of a nutritionalist or doctor if necessary, we should find all the answers in nature, and have no need to rely on synthetic forms of the same thing. I’m off to my polefit class. If only I had the energy to put my hotpants on! Only joking 🙂
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Let me note, I eat a fairly healthy diet. I eat a lot of veggies, kale, tomatos, quinoa, nutritional yeast, etc. I eat mostly vegan. I have some deficiencies, so I take supplements to remedy that.
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It isn't always simple maths. My relative, as an example, became very anemic, and couldn't absorb iron from foods. It took trying a lot of different supplements to remedy the issue. Not all iron supplements were absorbed by her.
Not really the topic anyways. I see the topic as seeing a product and asking for thoughts. Nothing wrong with that. I think we all agree that no supplements are going to build one muscle. Gotta work hard for that!
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Clavrot, there are some supplements that are not synthetic, totally organic, have no fillers, coatings or nasties!
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Hi everyone, well just as karma would have it, I have been bitten in the ass and have to reevaluate my long standing beliefs in supplements. I think in the week I was writing my comments above, I managed to overwork my right wrist (doing pole, pressups at the gym, lots of gardening then pole again) and it’s been really painful since. To compensate, I have used my left arm too much and now that is hurting. Couple of weeks later and with a bit of a vacant brain, I have worked out that it might be my ‘summer diet’ that doesn’t include a lot of the regular power stews and soups that have been keeping me strong during the winter. So, thanks to all of the info from this post (and more research on my particular diet) I am feeling quite comfortable to go out tomorrow to get some supplements!! Don’t get me wrong, I’m still of the opinion that we should try to eat our vitamins in the form of fresh food, but I have come to believe that if I can’t be arsed to cook on a more regular basis, that supplements are gonna have to bridge that gap for me. Needless to say, I feel a bit of a dick, but humbled by my body telling me that something is amiss.
I will of course keep you updated 🙂 -
We all change our opinions on things, so don't wory. It's part of being human. Hope you start feeling better soon!
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I came across an article this morning while reading my latest July/August 2013 issue American Fitness magazine. The article is http://americanfitness.squarespace.com/nutrition-supplements1/
In the article, Berner (2013) states "before consuming any over-the-counter supplements, always discuss usage with a physician to help determine any safety or interaction risks." I point this out because there is an important issue Berner is trying to get across in this article: supplements can cause interactions with existing medication regimens. It's important a physician is aware of the supplements you're taking in order to consult you on the potential risks that can be associated; such as decreasing the effectiveness of prescribed medications, causing toxic levels through absorption, etc. Another safety issue Berner discusses is purity of product. Because supplements are not regulated by the FDA, it is difficult to known exactly what is in supplements. Inadequate regulation of dietary supplements means there's no way for consumers to know what many supplements actually contain or how pure the product and its ingredients are (Berner, 2013).
In addition to safety issues, the article also discusses the World Anti-Doping Agency code. This issue has been a question in the back of my mind for quite some time. Pole Dancing is striving to become a nationally recognized sport however, currently pole dancing is not regulated by any governing agencies such as the WADA. If pole dancing is taken to the level of sport recognition in the future, the ingestion of such supplements that may contain substances that are strictly prohibited by the WADA should be taken into consideration if an athlete wishes to perform on a professional level representing the sport of pole.
Just a couple things I wanted to bring into the conversation that I found were interesting in this article. Thanks for reading!
References APA Citation
Berner, C. (2013). Nutrition supplements: Part 1. American Fitness. Retrieved from http://americanfitness.squarespace.com/nutrition-supplements1/
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