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Seeking nutrition advice–anyone tried Poletein?
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so i guess my advice is: if you choose to take any protein supplement, realize that you can certainly get the same amount by eating whole foods instead, kinda what organic angel said.
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I will just state that not all protein sources are the same and not all protein sources have this effect on cancer. Campbell researched protein's effect on turning and off cancer promotion and it was specific to casein. However generalizations have been made that ALL protein sources act as casein does, which has never been proven. It does not aid in cancer development, it affects development after you already have cancer. Those are two very distinctly different things.
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@Chemgoddess: To clarify, the casein studies that you are referring to were his earlier works on rats. The China studies analyzed the diets of humans, with data in many different food classes- 2 examples being plant based proteins and animal based proteins (not just casein, but all animal based protein)
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Just a note on the creatine/protein affecting your liver…too much protein in general can be tough on the liver just because it has to convert all the nitrogen into urea. That is why I do not advocate high protein low carb diets. Everything in moderation.
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to pegasus- how is it impossible to lose body fat and build muscle at the same time?
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Two different hormones which do not happen at the same time. Insulin helps you build up muscle. Glucagon helps you release energy from the cells. This is (simply put) why body builders have to fatten up a little to build of the muscle tissue. And also why when they lean out they are so concerned with muscle loss. Havent you ever heard of the concept of when you loose weight too fast alot of it might be muscle. It doesnt mean that these too events cannot happen in the same day it just doesn't happen at the same time. This is why it is important to have a good meal after workout.. spike your insulin to incourage the glucose back into the muscles and help stimulate repair of the muscles that have been broken down.. And also why they say do your cardio in the morning right after you wake up with no food to help release more fat stores from the body because you are coming off a fasting state and your levels up glucagon are high and insulin levels are low.
It is MUCH more complex than that. That is the science of it.
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Thank you pegasus for your explanation – I was wondering the same thing.
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It is a pretty simple one. There is SO much more going on and can quite a project to try to manage it all. I say to lean out "wait till the tank is a quarter full then fill to 50%"
Back onto the protein subject…I've always found that nutrition bars and protein supplements reck my stomach..
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I mean simple explaination.. There's tons of information on it.
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As a cancer biologist and pharmacologist, I am going to throw in a few cents without trying to get too involved… https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif
Everything causes cancer (haha). Everything is a therapeutic, everything is a poison– it's all about context and dose/how much you're taking in!
Keep in mind that protein is, at its simplest, a source of amino acids. You need amino acids to keep your cells replicating, making proteins and cell signals of their own, etc… of course supplying a source of amino acids will help cancer grow! They'll help just about any cell type grow. Now, if you're talking about increased incidence of cancer in a clearing organ like the kidney or liver… that's a bit of a different issue.
And my last two cents– just because a study is from 2008 doesn't mean it's invalidated. If studies aren't recanted but other authors refute a certain claim, studies will show rebuttals/revisions (which is pretty rare) or pubmed will happily link you to relevant recent articles as well. All that you find in the literture is scientific observation– many times you'll find opposing opinions on a given topic, but that doesn't mean one or the other is "wrong" or "outdated."
That's all. https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_rambo.gif
Oh, and I personally love eggs or shredded crock pot chicken (wrapped in a little spinach, kind of a mini-wrap?) after a workout! The chicken is great because you can make a ton of it and just eat it cold over time!
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@pegasus regarding #3 in your last post… what kinds of foods would be bad to eat before nighty night that would interupt your growth hormone release???
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the goal is to keep insulin levels from rising too much. Try not to eat a couple of hours before bed. This would be the key point.
So In the evening you wouldnt want to eat things that turn into sugar quickly. Rice, pasta, (alcohol interfers with you getting into all your sleep cycles, but I cant remember if it has an effect of GH release..It is a different type of carb)
.. one school of thought is too make sure you have some good quality protein to carry you through the night.
My personal opinion…I'm sure a lot of ladies will disagree…Is women dont eat enough good quality fat. I think eating a little bit of fat in the evening can help dieting. A little piece of cheese with olive oil or beaf…60-100 calories worth. Insulin does not spike when fat is eaten….BUT BE AWARE that it is not a licence to eat what ever you want.
PS…if you wanted to get "kooky" about it. You would want to sleep twice and have two trainings in a day. Those events coupled with the right food would help you release the most growth hormone. But who in the heck has time for that!
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@pegasus-I think that information is very helpful. My challenges are I'm just finishing school, Ive been a full time student for a year and I;m trying to get back into a routine. Also ,I get shaky when I dont eat so I'll have something before I work out. The protein bars work but yesterday I tried a boiled egg instead and it worked.I know I cant do it overnight but I'm trying to get close to where I was a year ago. My issue isnt weight its getting back into healthy eating habits and building muscle again.I do have the belly fat issue. It seems all my stress and everything is stored there. I appreciate your insight because I dabble in nutrition and I tend to accept the advice of people especially women who have used the advice because I feel alot of the studies are geared toward the way mens bodies workor are simply not nutritionally sound for our bodies
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I like Amazing Meal Protein Shakes. They are raw, gluten free, Vegan, dairy free and no sugar added. 10 Grams of full spectrum plant protien. Probiotics, Fiber, Antioxidants and so on.
I get mine at Whole Foods in the US. The company website is Amazinggrass.com.
This shake is pricey but I like it. I am not Vegan but I love the ingredients and feel great when I drink it on a regular basis. Hope this helps someone. Ozarksiren
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I LOVE amazing grass! I like their Raw Reserve powders… for extra protein I use Jay Robb's whey protein – casien free, comes from grass fed cows, no growth hormone, no ariticial sugars and retains the healthy immunoglobins. A low cal way to meet the daily protein intake on those needed days:)
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