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Should I warn her? Advice please!
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I wouldn’t mention the profile you’re concerned about though because if it is dodgy she might tell them opening up a whole new world of manipulation
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I like the idea of contacting hamfist. Ask him for advice on the video he has ‘liked’ and say you ask because someone you know told you they got some excellent advice from him. A white lie, but one that could show you whether or not he knows his stuff if he answers. Don’t accuse or make it sound like an inquisition or anything, just sound him out. If he is giving unsolicited advice to children and ignores you, it is more likely your suspicions have some grounding. If he offers advice that is rubbish or inappropriate then again, red flag. If he knows his stuff, you might just learn something.
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Exactly, I would not mention any names if I contacted any of the two and I would not make it sound accustative in any way.
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*accusing, it's supposed to be I guess, not accusative:)
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Okay, I conducted some Hamfirst research!
Here is someone on another site inquiring about him: http://contortionistsunite.ning.com/forum/topics/whos-hamfist
The info from the above link leads to the name Ian North
Seems a little shady since he's singling out double jointed girls to contact him but I'm not a contortionist trainer and don't know what's normal or if there even is a general pattern when it comes to their interests …
the name leads to a contortionist in traingin using advice from an Ian North and thanking him for his help (the web page is dedicated to him and contains her online journal)
http://www.angelfire.com/freak/contortion/journal.html
I can't be sure if these are all the same person or if any of the info is even legit since this is all from a 5min google search but it's what comes up.
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You ladies are amazing! I haven't followed any of the links, but when reading this tread I was overwhelmed with the love and concern! The internet really is a "Wild West" but it's nice to see that some people still look out for each other and for the kids out there. I see both sides of this issue, and don't know what the "right" answer is. I think it's awesome that you would even think to be concerned.
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Cherished…thanks for the reasearch. So obviously there is a real contortion trainer called hamfist but also a few fake ones. What a mess. I'm actually a member of contortionistsunite (to where your first link leads) so I may throw out a question and see if anyone knows if the channel I found on youtube is beloning to the real guy.
It seems that this Ian is in New Zealand, but the youtube channel appears to be German (it says Kanal von hamfist) which would be weird for a New Zealander (if he hasn't moved).
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It's great that there are so many peopel here looking to take care of this girl. But I think I would be careful also not to ruin a man's life just incase he is innocent. This man may look suspicious to onlookers but may not be malicious. A label like "pedo" can completely ruin a man forever. People tend to band together and attack before they are willing to hear him out.
I've witnessed a scene at a park where a man was called a pedophile for helping a girl up after she fell. A group of moms basically converged on him, saying things like since he is at a park with no kids, it must mean he is there is perv. They basically told him to leave and if they saw him at the park again they would call the police. They claim that the park was for peopel with children or children only. And here I was an adult with no kid, playing on the monkey bars…but they never attacked me because I am a woman. It was sexist to jump to conclusion just because someone it male.
It makes me very happy to know that there are people out there willing to look out for a child of 8. Look into it, but please be careful.
On another note, I second what chemmie said! There is NOTHING wrong with a 7-8 year old girl going showing her chest or even going topless. Goodness, when I was 7-8 I changed my top in public because I fell into mud. Nothing wrong with that 20 some odd years ago, why is it wrong NOW? There is nothing to see. Making a big deal of it will MAKE IT a taboo thing.
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Just to clarify, since I'm seeing caps whipped out lol, no one here has said there is anything wrong with a topless child only that there is something wrong with how they are viewed by certain individuals.
Also I understand how easily a witch hunt on an innocent person can occur but I don't think anyone here is rushing to vilify Hamstring. It was already established that he is most likely a legitimate contortionist trainer who has a few people impersonating him (no idea what that's all about) but anyway rest assured it's unlikely there will be a mob of angry pole dancers assembling on his lawn (in New Zealand) with pitchforks and torches anytime soon!
Well I might go but it's only because it's starting to look like this guy can help me get into a good needle scale.
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Don't worry, no rush or hunt from my side and not from anyone else either I'm sure. I think we've all heard stories about how the perv-label can ruin for someone.
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Lots of reasonable and well thought out caring people here, no flash mob mentality! But yeah, if this guy end up being the real deal, maybe he can help me with my flexibility too.
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You know you could always talk to him. Okay, wait, now, I KNOW that sounds crazy. But you could spoof your IP and tell him you're seeking his advice etc in contortion. Decipher whether he's legit or not through all that. If he wants to meet up with you, (you might have gone too far…?), he's probably a weirdo. The only reason I tell you to spoof your IP is because it's STUPID easy to track people through that (and sometimes I'm paranoid). Anyway, that way you would know if this guy was legit or creepy.
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Wow. She is an adorable little girl with good skills however, she is only 8 years old and I personally don't think her parents really know she is posting these videos of herself to youtube and communicating with people she doesn't know. If I were a mom I would not let my little girl put stuff of herself out there like that when she is that young. This is a sick messed up world and its really creepy to think that any pervert can look at that little girl. I'm not sure what to do as far as saying something. The maternal part of me really says yes.
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Just to let you know, I've emailed the guy who seems to be the real contortion trainer (there was an adress on one of the pages that Cherished found). I didn't mention the girl, only that I came across someone on youtube who calles himself hamfist. Just asked if the channel belongs to him or not. If something of interest turns up I'll let you know. Those all pages that we got links to were quite old and who knows if he still uses that email. His account on contortionistsunite seems pretty inactive and it says his latest login was in september. I sent him a friends request however.
I thought I'd start from there at least and then we'll see.
Thanks for your wise input and engagement in this matter, and even if not everyone proposed the same action, it's still been very interesting to discuss "the mystery of the false contortion trainer " (could BTW be the name of a detective story if we have an talanted writers on here https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif) with you. Maybe this guy's career will soon take a new turn and make his hands full of pole dancers who wants him to bend them https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_eek.gif!
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