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Twisted grip injuries!
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You can do a spin into a True grip handspring but you can’t do a reverse grab into a Phoenix with any other grip but TG.
Nadia Sharif does a spin into true grip at about 2:30 here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASGaYqSB1-0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Holding a stall with any other grip requires more strength, which is probably why you’re not able to stay stable in them! Think about how many iron Xes you see being done with true grip or split grip– very few, and the polers that are able to do them in those grips are always given props for it.
I’m not trying to tell you that you will have problems later on down the line, but my shoulder didn’t start giving me problems till maybe year #3 of poling. Nearly every pro I know in NYC has had rotator cuff issues. It’s up to your body what will be compatible and up to you if it’s worth it.
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Thanks Amy 🙂
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(I will limit my TG use)
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not for nuthin – at my studio i flat out refuse to let TG be taught from the floor…. we are only just now beginning to work on it from up the pole : i have heard and seen tooooooooooo many problems with shoulders from people swinging up into that TG from the floor !!!
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I never do twisted from the floor. I was learning it for a while, and kept aggravating my shoulder, so i stopped. A lot of the new moves people are coming up with are not attractive, they are just super hard. If you arent going to be competing in a super serious competition, its sooo not worth it. These injuries can affect you for life! https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_eek.gif
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When I taught spotting and assisting at the Pole Expo in Vegas, I taught the kick up to a twisted grip ( it could have been any grip because the spotting was the same) but my demo person just chose the twisted grip. Veena's booth was right in front of the stage, I wonder if she cursed me when I taught it. Anyhow, usually people get excited with this and other moves and they do way too many of them. Advanced moves require alot of strength and you should follow the same protocols for "low rep exercises" as seen on http://www.poleathlete.com. I recommend people only try a move at the most 3 times each side and then do a different move. The fourth time is too much sometimes. Also, the elbow is in a precarious position when a person kicks up into a twisted grip…once a person is inverted in twisted grip, there is less strain on the elbow and the hand no longer twists the forearm. If you have ever been in an inversion and then cartwheeled down in a twisted grip, you can feel the strain on the elbow as your feet hit the ground. People don't usually feel this strain as they are cartwheeling up since they are so focused on the move…but they feel it afterwards. I teach a variety of grips to use in a cartwheel or handspring. The elbow is actually the part of the body that is stressed the most by kicking up and the safest way to teach it for elbow safety is from being already inverted. It seems as though people get shoulder injuries doing this move when they are not strong enough to do the move, they use momentum and are not maintaining a stable shoulder girdle and torso, they already have some postural instability, or they just do the move too much.
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Actually, I just read Aerial Amy's blog and I guess I don't teach it from kicking…the term "controlled leg sweep" is more correct. Also, I have a different idea of cartwheel and handspring. When I teach a cartwheel…you can actually go all the way over, just like a cartwheel in gymnastics. When I teach a handspring, it is more like a back-walkover in gymnastics. I know some people call handsprings, "cartwheels."
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