StudioVeena.com Forums Discussions YOUTUBE. I’M NOT STEALING MUSIC. CHILL.

  • pegasusaerialfitness

    Member
    October 6, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    I think you might misunderstand me Raven… I am only trying to find a loop hole for having to have to pay the companies that are saying you have to pay them to play your radio or your iPod. (which are songs I purchased) at your fitness studio while you have clients.

    And honestly, I would suspect that the artists and the companies that have produced the music are the ones who have implemented this law.

  • pegasusaerialfitness

    Member
    October 6, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    I think you might misunderstand me Raven… I am only trying to find a loop hole for having to have to pay the companies that are saying you have to pay them to play your radio or your iPod. (which are songs I purchased) at your fitness studio while you have clients.

    And honestly, I would suspect that the artists and the companies that have produced the music are the ones who have implemented this law.

  • pegasusaerialfitness

    Member
    October 6, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Dear Ms. Deausen,

    I recognize that you are a fitness studio. We license group fitness as a part of our dance school license. There are hundreds of licenses that we offer, all of which whose rates are significantly higher. This is the license that best fits your business.

    I understand you may have never heard of ASCAP or music licensing, therefore, I will attach several links that you can use for your research. ASCAP is a performing rights organization that has been operating since 1914. We represent over 450,000 songwriters and more than 8,000,000 works.

    Under the U.S. Copyright Law, copyright owners are granted a number of exclusive and separate rights. Among them are the rights to perform music publicly, whether live or via mechanical means, such as compact disc, tape, radio, video or other methods, the right to record music and distribute copies of music. Music that is purchased, rented, downloaded or otherwise distributed to the public does not carry with it the right of public performance.

    Below are several links providing more specific information:

    Using Copyrighted Music Pamphlet
    http://www.ascap.com/~/media/655449c494b748ba89edc4864655e1b6.pdf

    US Copyright Law (We are mentioned Chapter 1, Sec. 114 3(c) or pages 4 & 55
    http://www.copyright.gov/title17/

    Dance Blog on music licensing (good wording from a studio owner)
    http://thedancebuzz.blogspot.com/2011/01/studio-owner-buzz-music-licensing-faq.html

    *If you are the owner of a business that incorporates music, the responsibility to obtain a license falls upon you as clearly defined by Congress and US Copyright Law. The annual licensing rate for a studio is determined by the amount of students and the type of dance.

    I will follow up with you in one week to give you plenty of time to review this information with the appropriate person.

    Sincerely,

    Alexander I. Ashworth
    Licensing Manager
    American Society of Composers, Authors, and Publishers
    (888) 684-6086 Office
    (615) 691-7016 Fax
    aashworth@ascap.com

  • pegasusaerialfitness

    Member
    October 6, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Here is the email I received. Sorry for the length

  • Krista Bocko

    Member
    October 6, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    just gotta say…thank goodness for youtube, as opposed to fb! I uploaded a short video to fb–twice–and both times it was taken down due to copyright violation. Youtube has NEVER taken down one of my videos.

  • pantherchild

    Member
    October 7, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Oooh ooh, a topic I can comment on.

     

    Some background: I work at a music company and this is a topic that my department deals with loosely.  I can give you more details if you PM me.  Or find me on Facebook.

     

    Here's what happening on YouTube.  YT has a catalog of songs and artists who have set certain 'permissions' on their music. Some say 'anyone can use my music'.  Some say 'you have to show ads on anything using my songs and give me the profit'.  Some say 'no one may upload my songs.  Remove them if this happens'.  There's more granualr permissions, but that's the jist of it.

     

    So, they have a system that 'listens' to your music when you upload it and it matches it to the catalog of songs that they have.  When you give 'clues' to the song (title/artist) it can make their job easier.  Then, they take the action they've been instructed to by the owner of the copyright.

     

    This is a money thing.  Artists need to make money from their music and if they're not licensing their stuff to you and you're just using it…then they're not making money.  If you upload the video to YT, it's no longer 'personal use'.  You've put it out there in the world and have the potential to make a profit from that. It's now a public performance (think about that for a minute–any video you post to YT is a public performance.)  If you're making money and not giving to the artist that made the song (or their record company, but we'll pretend that doesn't happen), then that's kind of a bad situation.

     

    ASCAP, BMI, Sentric, and the Canadian versions which escape me at the moment work to collect royalties on music and hold them for the artist.  So, you license music from BMI for a fee and they hold that money until the artist comes to collect it.

     

    It's crazy fascinating.  The stuff that we can do these days is so impressive.

     

    And, like Pippi said, if it's something that upsets you, set down and write your own. Or, even better, find a local indie band and dance to their music.  Contact them and see if they'd do a cover of something you love.  Work with your local musicians to make something unique.

     

    Hope that's useful!

  • Meg Smith

    Member
    October 20, 2013 at 8:28 am

    I have found a way. Tad naughty but it works. Find cover versions or remixes on YouTube and use them. Pref ones wil lower views. As YouTube has a system automatically picking up copyright music. Or go onto jamendo website. It’s people uploading copyright free stuff (conditions vary to each track/artist) hope this helps 🙂 xx

  • Meg Smith

    Member
    October 20, 2013 at 8:28 am

    I have found a way. Tad naughty but it works. Find cover versions or remixes on YouTube and use them. Pref ones wil lower views. As YouTube has a system automatically picking up copyright music. Or go onto jamendo website. It’s people uploading copyright free stuff (conditions vary to each track/artist) hope this helps 🙂 xx

  • PippiParnasse

    Member
    October 20, 2013 at 8:39 am

    FYI royalties are owed on cover songs as well. Because when we're talking about rights to a song, there are actually 2 different products: the recording of the song, and the songwriting. (You can think of this as sheet music, like you would play on piano or guitar, but even if there is no sheet music published the person who wrote the song still owns it.) So if you are a band and you play a cover song, even if you're indie and don't care if people broadcast your recording for free, you still have to play the songwriter for that.

    For example, if Neil Diamond wrote a song, and Metallica covered it (haha I know), and local indie band was like "We're gonna cover this awesome Metallica song," they would still owe money to Neil Diamond, not Metallica.

    That was a long explanation to say that publishing cover songs without paying is still stealing from the songwriter.

  • Meg Smith

    Member
    October 20, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Yes I know that’s why I said it’s naughty but it works. You tube does not notice you have any music on your video etc so can upload and be viewed anywhere….

  • Meg Smith

    Member
    October 20, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Using any music in vids is classed as stealing unless you buy the riguts off a site called jamendo like I said 😉

  • jbcabby

    Member
    October 20, 2013 at 10:53 am

    I was recently tasked with uploading all the videos from our open house onto Youtube so we could share them in our closed facebook group.  Every video was "flagged for third party content".  I began researching to figure out how this would affect my account.  Also, all the videos were marked unlisted.  

    I chose to acknowledge that there was third party content because using the entire song didn't fall within the guidelines of "fair use", I live in Canada and the rules seem to be different here.

    All it means is that the person who owns the copyright to the music now will be the one making money off your video, if it happens to go viral. I'm not sure if you get a percentage…or if they take everything.  If the copyright holder is fine with you using the song they will keep the video up but it can't be played on mobile (which is what happened to all of mine).  The videos are up as of now, but if the copyright holder decides a year from now they don't like them, they can be removed without notice and I will get a flag on my account. https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_sad.gif

    The "Content ID" software is unbeatable, copyright owners submit their work and if it ever matches something uploaded it will be flagged.  Apparently it scans 100 years of video everyday, it's insane!

    I've thought about reaching out to Bruno Mars via twitter to ask if I can use his song….I doubt he would mind!!! https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif

    Thanks for all the great info ladies.

  • Skullpixie

    Member
    October 20, 2013 at 11:22 am

    So how exactly do you find out which songs you can and can not use?

  • Lina Spiralyne

    Member
    October 20, 2013 at 11:32 am

    If there's a copyright issue youtube will find it whether they're public or unlisted. I recommended to keep them unlisted if you want to make a test, but that's only so that no one else start watching the vids until you're sure you still want to keep them. Maybe you don't mind but I usually prefer that no one sees the before I've made up my mind.

  • HilaryKate aka LolaSlaytor

    Member
    October 20, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    So generally when I get these notices, it just says that my video won't be able to be viewed in certain countries (usually Germany). If it includes Canada in the list, then I usually will change the music in the video and re-upload it (deleting the first one that was flagged), but if it just lists Germany or a couple countries, I don't bother. My question is: does anyone ever hit the "acknowledge" or "dispute" buttons? I generally don't click on either because I don't know what the dispute button will get me into, but I also don't want to seem like I'm admitting to any sort of guilt by hitting acknowledge. Just thought I'd see what anyone else had to say!

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