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i don’t understand why
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hotel chick i wrote little advice not criticism, seems like nobody really understood
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Eva X- I think we do actually understand what you mean. You want to know why we don't give advice when we comment to videos, and why we always tell the dancer that they are sexy, doing well, and such. Compared to some people (such as, in my opinion, Felix Cane) some people here may not be even CLOSE to that level of skill and beauty when it comes to movement, but that doesn't mean that we aren't doing well.
It's more about perspective on that- we're telling the person that they are doing well for where they are in the journey of dancing, and especially when we've seen their progress over time! Many of us struggle under the idea that we will NEVER be good enough, and that's our own opinion of ourselves. Other people may think that we are ALREADY "good enough," and it's nice to hear them say so!
For a lot of people, that little bit of advice can be devestating, and could possibly put their self-esteem and progress back by months, even years. It could be totally fine, like "Hey, I think you need to work on pointing your toes," but you don't know what that person is going through right now. They may have once had a great toe-point, but had a recent car accident, and had so much damage that they can't do it anymore. They are working hard at it, but from our perspective, it's not what we're used to looking at. Your comment could make them so self-conscious that they might give it all up completely! They might still be recovering from that accident, and you've just set them back, by that little comment.
A quote from you: "and believe me, if i'll post my videos i 'llwant to know what you REALLY think, not that i'n sexy when i don't etc.."
What if what we REALLY think is that you are sexy, and doing really well? What if that's all we can offer? Are you going to get fed up, and decide that everyone is hiding what they truly feel about your dancing?
As I said before, if you want the advice or constructive critisism, you can ask for it! And, please do! But most of us just aren't ready for that kind of scrutiny.
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Im sure that we all have seen something in others videos that could be done better. But I dont know about everyone else because i can only speak for myself, I dont watch videos and point out others “faults” or what they did wrong, etc.
This is the MAIN reason why I post here. I know majority of the Veeners here are not looking at my videos and thinking, “Oh my gosh that was God awful, she shouldnt even post.”I struggle everyday to be a positive person in the outside world. And here is the one place that I have the easiest time to stay positive.
Its almost like my fault/negative- o- meter is turned off when I login onto this site.
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@Eva X – in my humble opinion, critique is advice and is available for those who seek it. At my level, I don’t consider myself qualified to give a lot of advice on a particular move or dance style. Further, I don’t support CRITICISM, but, rather, critique, again, for those who seek it. I merely shared the link for those polers who wish for professional advice to improve their performance or prepare for competition. I post my videos here to share my progress. I’m older and pole as a hobby, not for a living. While I may perform for friends, I will never compete, and this is a welcome place for me to receive feedback from polers who have followed my progress and pole for fun and fitness as I do. I’m sure if you ask for advice, you will find many here who can help you, but, many of us here post here because it is a warm and welcoming environment, and a safe place to share with others at our level who share our passion for pole. Happy poling!
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Eva X…as I stated before, if someone would like advice or a critique, then the member will ask for it in the video description. Then, members here gladly critique with honesty. There was someone recently who was entering a competition, and she wanted to know what to work on and the advice given was very constructive…without being rude of course.
I'll say again, MOST members posting are just looking to share or show what they have learned so critique is not really necessary, and support is important.
Eva X, If you would like your video to be critiqued please feel free to write in your description that you are looking for critique and advice, it's that simple and we would be happy to help you out.
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I know the gist of what you're trying to get across. But I think what happens is a modified constructive criticism. For instance, last week, I was trying to do this lift-thingy. I posted a video and a user suggested I try a combo of moves that would help build strength for lifts. That's what I like best, when others can suggest new things for me to try that I might never have thought of by myself.
This community is so supportive and I've learned tons from various users. Some people put up videos just to show how far they've come or things they're working on. But some people will say 'hey, help! I want advice'. I think it's all about the approach. 🙂
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If a person asks for advice or critique I will give my opinion. In general if they don't ask I leave it be unless I feel something is really unsafe/disagreeable. Even then I am far more likely to send a private message to that individual. I comment on a ton of videos and I mean what I say too. If I am in a hurry and say "Great vid" it may not be GREAT to you but I enjoyed it! If I TRULY dislike something/someone I don't even view. I have a lot of respect for everyone here, and many of them I know more about than my "real friends". As others have said most of us don't need someone to tell us our flaws. We are quite aware. Here is a sampling of mine:
I need to point my toes even when learning new tricks..
I need to really extend through my legs and straighten them.. even for practices
I should slow down and hold poses longer
smile or emote more instead of ugly concentration face…..
and much more…. do these ladies point it out every video? No and clearly I don't need them to. This is where I come to share my journey with people who really understand. Many ladies here mean quite a lot to me. Several I talk to over the phone, email, skype etc. and many more I think about when there are gone for a while. In summary SV rocks https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_cheers.gif
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I really feel there's a cultural thing going on here.
I understand why eva x said what she said – where I come from, people are much more blunt about everything, and are much more likely to criticise than give praise. It's not that we are being mean, it's just a different way to motivate people, that some (me included) think is more powerful.
To be honest, I find the "american" style hard to navigate sometimes as well. To people like me, who are used to being told when something we do simply sucks, that kind of discussion doesn't sound supportive – it sounds dishonest, just as I often come across as mean-spirited when I talk to americans.
So my point is – cultural differences are hard 🙂
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thank you everybody
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i was wondering the same thing but after beeing a member for a while now, I understand
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example… i post something
comment good, i think you are doing good , next time try to make this like that
to colour your hair blue (eheheh JK)
or .. me neither, i can't do that
i prefere another type of music
not you suck, you are not good (OH MY GOD like to talk to a good friend)
this is my last post, i don't believe i'm explaining myself like that
good night ladies, from us from europa from australia,wherever! take it easy 🙂 was a pleasure
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I think I know what she means. It's like those poor people you see on American Idol that clearly can't sing or may need more coaching but their family and friends couldn't find it themselves to be honest and tell them that lol. So instead they praise and support them in fear of hurting their feelings and then they end up hearing the truth from the judges. I think it's a cultural thing. My brothers and I were born in America but my family roots are in the Islands. They say the same thing that eva and lily billy say. It's almost like they think americans are too nice and that its fake or laying it on too thick instead of being honest with that person and giving them feedback that can help them progress………but at the end of the day, what one person sees when watching a video may not be what someone else sees……so its all about personal perception
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Oh and constructive criticism does exist on SV. I've seen several comments that went something like…….."Great job, just remember to point your toes" or something to that nature:-)
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i like the fact that studio veena is positive, I have to admit i am a negative and critical person , so when im on here I try to tone down my attitude and be nice with everyone
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Ok I haven’t read all the posts in this thread so I’m sure I wil repeat what has already been said but I can’t resist having my 10pence worth.
Every one of us has different thoughts, opinions and norms. What one person thinks is good another thinks is bad, what one thinks is sexy another thinks it isn’t. If we all liked the same it would be a boring world.
There are many popular pole dancers that are raved about that I personally don’t enjoy watching.
I don’t like to watch overtly sexy performances, I would rather watch gymnastic style performances by that is my preference.
So what I’m trying to get to is, one persons compliment is another persons complaint.
Plus, what an individual perceived to be good is often based upon their own level of ability. So, when I first started poling I watched tarakarinas videos on YouTube and thought WOW ill never be THAT good, one year on I can do the moves that I previously thought were out of my reach. In the same breath I might look at a beginners videos and think that it doesn’t look great overall but it is an achievement for that person so they should be congratulated for that achievement regardless of my personal opinion on x, y or z.
At the end of the day we all blossom from praise and ancouragement so why not give it.
I personally don’t comment on anything that doesn’t tick my box so to speak. And I can say from posting videos on here that other Veeners do the same. I have posted videos that many people have watched but no one has liked or commented on, and THAT alone is enough to make you wonder about how you can improve it without someone offering up their own criticism that I might not have asked for or in some cases ready know!
If you have a ‘like’ or a positive comment the. I believe you have ticked someone’s box and they either approve or are in admiration- either way its a compliment and its nice 🙂
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