-
protein powders?
-
I say the BCAA's are ineffective because if you are all ready consuming them in food, then mega dosing with them as a supplemnt is useless. Studies show they are only effective when a low protein diet is used, and if you are taking protein shakes and otherwise have a diet high in protein (ie, meeting or exceeding your needs) then the supplement is just a waste of money (as most supplements are).
Supplements are a big business, they are unregulated, and you have no idea what you are getting in them (dosage or ingredient wise). Your best bet is to take as little supplements as you can and to eat as much real wholesome food as you can,
I would be very hessitant to suggest anything other than whole food to a person who has a past history of ED. They have a lot more issues to deal with than to waste time, money and energy, on supplements that is not needed for anyone really.
-
WTH??? Not sure where my post went lol
I do protein shakes. Sometimes on the way to the studio, sometimes after coming home. Mine is mostly to make up for my whacky schedule and eating habits. Its actually a fairly new thing for me, mostly because of my whack schedule. I'd much rather down a protein shake at 10pm after teaching then eat a heavy meal. I use Arbonne's powders or premixed. One of the few I have found that I can deal with the taste and isn't full of a ton of whacky crap. Its Pea protein, my body doesn't like whey, and soy is not something I can have because of my Thyroid.
And I just have to say this because its a pet peeve of mine. Someone said muscle weighs more then fat. No it does not. A pound of muscle and a pound of fat weigh just that, a pound. However a pound of muscle is denser and more compact so a pound of muscle takes up less space then a pound of fat. So you might not be losing fat but as you gain muscle you will lose inches.
-
I will give you two links that explain supplements well, and i suggest spending a lot of time on the site as well. Lyle is the bomb and really knows his stuff, his books are really great too if you are looking for more in depth info on the body.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/supplements-part-1.html
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/supplements-part-2.html
-
i take no protein supplements 🙂
-
I wasn't implying to take supplements over food. The OP was asking about supplementation. I don't like to eat right before, during, or right after working out especially when i'm inverting etc.. So drinking some water with BCAA's during and right after instead of my regular water is better for me and i do know what my supplements contain, they have full disclosure labels and I always buy whole food sources. I don't like synthetic anything and avoid it as much as possible. When I take this while working out, it helps my stamina and muscles at that moment because it's more fast acting than food and gives me more energy. I personally notice a difference when I take it vs not taking it ( i don't do it every time). All I was doing was answering her questions she asked and providing why i take it. To each their own but thanks for the info and I will check it out.
-
I just re-read my op and I don't take the bcaa's and protein at the same time. I alternate but like to make up a glass of water with some bcaa's to drink while working out. I can't eat that soon after working out so that's where the protein powder comes in. i also can't do soy and whey as they can mess with your hormones and was told to avoid them with my endometriosis. I also have MTHFR and require bio active forms of B vitamins and I take methylguard from my dr and B12 injections so i try to avoid all synthetics in supplements and my multi vit are made from whole foods.
-
Im not sure you really have researched the supplement industry if you think they list all of their ingredients and that they are healthy and will not harm you.
You see, a few months ago, Jacked and Oxy Elite Pro were forced to change their product ingredients because they were linked to deaths. They were banned by the FDA from using DMAA. Now both products contain Yohimbine, which is a whole other box of worms. These were both extremely popular products that people assumed were safe. Same was done with Ephedra and HCG…..
Also,most companies do not list the ingredients (nor is there any law or regulation making them do so), usually they chalk it up to "propietry blend" and you have no idea what you are really taking or how much. They are also well know to throw illegal substances in their products without labeling it (and this is how many bodybuilders test positive for drugs when they did not take them, they only took a supplement.)
Again I have to point out that OP has a past history of ED and unless you have experience with supplements and treating those with an ED, it is inappropriate to do anything but point her to ask her questions to her professionals which would have a much better grasp of what OP needs in terms of diet, supplements, and health.
-
I have researched it! I do agree that it is a lot of marketing and false advertising etc..I know most supplements are a waste, I never said it wasn't. I was not suggesting she take my advice or take supplements, don't put words in my mouth. I was answering her questions and saying what I take, not what she should do. She is an adult and was asking about supplementation of protein and you also mentioned stuff you take so…. I never said to take this over that, take supplements,etc…I do know what my stuff contains because I don't take supplements or synthetic, propietary blends, and i only take the whole food source protein powder and 100% all natural bcaa's. Both of which are full disclosure labels with nothing hidden. If they are lying then shame on them and the third party labs that test their products. I never said to not eat. I never siad you should do this or that. She asked and I said what i took just like everyone else did including you. I'm done, wasn't looking for a debate, i was just answering her questions and I'm sure she can make her own decisions, this is an online forum and I would hope people would have the smarts to do their own research and talk to professionals instead of making blind decisions based on what people post here. If not, then that's their own stupidity if something happens. Don't make blind judgements on me, you don't know what I do and don't know and research. I was only talking about two things i take, both of which are from foods and natural. I wasn't trying to debate the whole supplement industry…
-
Actually you should read what i wrote, i answered her question and then she posted her history of ED, at which point every post i replied to her encouraged her to ask the people she worked with.
You responded to questions which had all ready been answered without looking at her posts, which means you completely missed the ED history, then you proceed to say well i take this for these reasons… when if you had read OP doesnt need to listen to us, she needs to speak to her own team.
You keep going on about stuff that doesnt matter and there is no way to know what is in the supplements you take, even if it is labled 100% whole or whatever.
Yes she is an adult but so are you and you should take something like this more seriously, ED's are nothing to be played with and just say "well she should know better" is irresponsiple and dangerous. She needs more help and support than these boards can give, and for her, seeking out her own team off these boards is the best. No other suggestions should be made even if it is what "you do"…
-
Oh guys, I didn't mean to cause an argument.
I am more or less recovered from my ED now, for about a year. Which, no, isn't a long time. I have had relapses previously when I've tried to recover, but the last time I relapsed I sought out treatment. And that's how I got to where I am today. I completely understand your hesitation abcollins1 with providing me with any advice and freaking out when people are telling me what they do. But I do have a team I can speak to if I feel like I am relapsing, which I can say right now I absolutely do not, ever want to go back down that path. I love being healthy and strong, and never want to go back to passing out all over the place, not to mention a zillion other health problems I had. However, as with most countries, although I have that team there if I need them, they are really expensive and have plenty of other patients to see. EDs do not get a lot of medical resources here. So I would not waste their time, per se, with something not specifically related to my ED.
that being said, I'm merely asking how everyone else has gone, trying to get a starting point for my research into this. I'm not asking what I should do. I'm asking what everyone else has done, and has found works for them. I'm asking about supplements, not replacements. I want to gather some information about what things mean and just wrap my head around it before doing further research. I thought this forum would be a good place to start.
Also, to nymphdancer, yes a pound is a pound is a pound regardless of the substance. But muscle weights more than fat per volume. I was more just getting at the point I am around the same size I was before I started getting ripped (lol) but I probably weigh a hell of a lot more now. Regardless, I don't know (or want to know) my weight. But logically I know it would probably be high because I have a lot of muscle now.
-
I understand you want to research, i understand that its all really expensive, but the thing is, that we really are not qualified to give you what you want. Without knowing key factors, your current diet, workout schedule, past triggers, your weight, height age, body composition, health issues…… it doesnt matter what we have done personally.
The things that I would tell a person without an ed are not things that YOU specifically need to be doing. Usually I would tell someone wanting to add muscle to up cals and weigh either weekly or monthly to control rate of gain. This is obviously something that triggers you and needs to be accounted for. In order to gain muscle you have to monitor it, you need to know cals and macros, you need to be on a good progressive program. And this goes into changing your body, how it looks how it feels.
Me I just came off a 12 month muscle building time, gained 20 pounds, i look much different than i did a year ago and now need to pull it back another 10 pounds, this is the cycle that normally happens. One which may or may not cause issues with an ED, which is why i am saying
You need to be on a diet plan'
You need to be on a training Plan
This needs to be done with and by someone who has experience in working with ED and who can monitor you and get you to your goals safely.
Is it going to cost more?? Yes, but you have a condition which requires, even in recovery, special attention to more than just "eat more and train" which is what is needed.
Whatever I do or what anyone else does here, doesnt matter in what YOU have to deal with or need to do.
The 2 links i provided will give you plenty of info on supplements and why most of them are not needed. Unless you have your diet on point, you dont need protein. If your diet is not on point, this means correct calorie and macro nutrient levels, then that is the first thing you "fix". Hoewever, counting cals, counting macros is not something i can advise you to do with an ED, again why it should be monitored by an RD.
You may be in recovery, and i am really glad, but this is the type of lifestyle that attracts and retriggers people with ED's because it can get to a point where it justifes old habits. All the countig all the monitoring, all the workiing out and training.
As you said, you are more like an alcoholic in this, where one drink can send them down. Im not saying its impossible, but it would be best not to take this on on your own, even finding a personal trainer who has experience would be better.
I know lots of programs and diets, building muscle/losing fat, that is all my job is…but none of them are going to be truly safe or healthy when dealing with an ED unless you have experienced help.
Whether you need to add protein, when where and what, those are questions that should be asked of someone who knows way more of your situation, I do not think that is wasting either your time or your doctor;s time, that is their job to guide you.
-
Lol, all I did was answer her original post. She asked what other people took and I told her what I took. She wasnt asking about ED so why should I say anything about it. I answered the original post, your the one that took it off topic and then proceeded to put words in my mouth and tell me what I should have said etc… I gave her the info she asked, I never once gave her advice or said “you should do this” why do you think you know it all? I dont care about your credentials either, everyone including studies and doctors can be wrong. Maybe u should re-read her original post before you go acting like the forum god and think you have the right to tell people what they should or shouldnt be posting. Now back to work in the laboratory…
-
Also I didnt need to read everyone else’s posts because she was wondering what other people took so I told her what I took 🙂
-
fusionforpole.com/ I use the vegan one from this website you can try samples too. They have helped my recovery after pole classes but I don’t take them often as my diet is good and if your diet is high in protein you don’t need to take supplements. Maybe your doctor or a dietician would be the best person to help you decide weather you need one or not. At the mo I’m trying to find good natural sources of protien rather than use the drinks, I have heard it’s better for you if you try more natural souces like flax seed. Hope this helps.
-
I use a recovery drink with a scoop of protein powder, frozen pineapple (bromelain) and frozen greens (spinach or kale) with ginger and turmeric. 1:3 protein/carb ratio
As a soccer referee, I've found my perfect pre-game nutrition is some kind of protein shake, with a mix of frozen fruit (berries or pineapple) and frozen greens, with some additional supplements.
4 years ago I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes, despite have no obvious risk factors, and I manage this with diet and exercise. I've found the proportion of protein/carbs that works for me, but it's an individual thing. I learned in the professional clinics that post-event/training recovery is optimized by appropriate nutrition, but I'm not as diligent as I could be, unless I'm feeling the hypoglycemia.
I use SAN Infusion, because it contains a lot of ingredients I would probably add to my smoothie anyway, and the proportion of protein/carb works for me, especially since I add extra carb with the fruit. Plus it has some fiber. They say 4 scoops is one serving, but that's more protein than anyone needs at one sitting, so I go with 3. You have to shop around to get a good price on it. After trying many different protein powders, ths is my preference.
But read the labels, and only trying different things will lead you to the right choice for you. It's important to understand that strength work munches through the glycogen in your muscles, so you want to replace that as well as protein. I actually need to use glucose tablets when doing strength work (such as pole), but even HIT cardio training does not deplete the glycogen the way even light strength training does.
Log in to reply.