MilienElayne
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https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_redface.gif lol. Let me rephrase: Gemini or Scorpio to Reverse V to ‘Shooting Star’ (or variations of) is my current favorite as there’s lots to do from there.
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There’s heaps! I hook and go into a kneehold variation (Shooting Star on wikipole but with both knees bent, hips more pushed forward and a wider stance) then marley and into superman, or kneehold variation or gemini into hip hold tuck/pike/v or taking it from Shooting Star but with the hand above the hooked leg into either a cupid/star or Holly Drop…. or… ok, carried away now.
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That is hot. Oh Jenyne!
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My knees are hyperextended, but maybe not to the extent of yours. My physio checked them and wasn’t worried. They only go that way when I lock hard or put pressure on them to deliberately extend them (aka stretches with straight legs and locked knees, oversplits).
Not to show off (ok, a little…hehheh) but here is what I mean by locked knees and putting pressure on them:
I’ve not had problems so far. I think that might have been my ballet training as a kid – teaching loose knees for better movement and only ever locked in extended leg poses, splits and static stretches. So, I reiterate the learning to keep unlocked for health reasons, but I’d also like sneakily to add that the lines with them are lovely and you can do so much more flexibility-wise if you are hyperextended.
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Yeah, when I first tried it I did it from Scorpio before I had my Scorpio lines perfected and the leg burn was amazing. I got the most giant bruise ever. Now that my Scorpio lines have changed and my back and hamstrings are much more flexy (and my thighs are less fat) there is very little pressure on my leg, I just sink. I’m thinking of trying it from a hiphold V (but my grip for that is weird too, I hold it only on the inside of one thigh, there is no hip contact at all…another thing I’ve been meaning to talk to my instructor about). Should get off my butt and break out the couch cushions and practice… Thankyou https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif
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I had this, then I gained more flexibility and strength and now I don’t have it! I don’t know what’s going on, I just can’t get a lock… all that holds me up now when I am in position is my hand and I can’t hold all my weight on just that for long. What are the other contact points? One of the times I tried it recently my hand slipped and I plumetted onto on my ass and jarred my tailbone, so confidence in this move is also low now https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_sad.gif Keep forgetting to ask my instructor to work on it with me. What other ways can you get into it besides flatline scorpio?
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As with any form of learning I take charge of my own. I don’t trust anyone else to be responsible for me, my body or my progress. Pole is a sport, any sport is potentially dangerous. I am confident in my own abilities and potential, not how someone else can shape them. No-one else knows my body better. I’d be honest with my teacher and upfront about my concerns and preferences if I thought she was being unsafe or if there were clearly better ways to teach a move. She can’t change or improve her spotting or teaching methods unless she knows something is ‘wrong’ with them. I love classes for the social aspect, the motivation and for more general pole exposure but I understand that at a certain point the gap between student ability and instructor experience can begin to close. I am not surprised or dismayed when I can do a move better or know more about its ins and outs than an instructor… As long as they still have more experience on pole, teaching and performing than I have, we can both continue to learn and grow and I still have more to learn from them.
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So… I am working on ayshas a bit at the moment. Maybe should have practiced and nailed these a bit earlier, but honestly I haven’t had the time and opportunity until now. My pole at home is too short to straight edge and chrome is so slippy that I slide down in my ayshas which freaks me out a bit. Good news though, I am moving up to the next level of classes at the studio and we can request moves to work on and there is more freedom to show off because it’s the highest level… I’ve got forearm aysha very solid from the previous level and at home practice and could now try taking it to straight edge. I have SG aysha from a butterfly so I might get my split grip aysha from a scorpio and TG from a CAR because I know we’ll be working on them. I’ve tried them both once and didn’t get the right grip and balance combo. I’ve also tried TG handpsring and can get it once every four tries… but it’s pretty harsh on the body! Someone actually spotting me will help for all of them.
Anyway, I’ve been thinking. What are all the ways to get into Aysha?
Straight edge (but how do I get into that first?)
Caterpillar (elbow and forearm, is split grip possible?)
Butterfly (split grip, are elbow and forearm possible?)
Scorpio (split grip)
Reverse Aysha (TG, is split grip possible?)
CAR (TG, is it possible with SG?)
Handspring (SG and TG, I think there might be a forearm version of this)Can I get into them from anything else?
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Not sure, but it sounds like you could also not be stretching enough in cool down and after the classes that you teach. I just did an at-home sesh on Monday and I know I forgot to stretch my pecs and intercostals after I worked them because they’re now sore and they aren’t normally after a pole class because I always stretch after!
I’m also totally guilty of over doing at home sessions! It’s not the time that I put in, but the repetitions of the same moves and the same types of moves over and over and over… In a class we’ll do a variety of movements, moves and stretches, where at home I tend to fixate because I have no-one to force me to move on…. plus I won’t stop til I almost literally drop sometimes. Not good.
Don’t know about in America, but eating whole foods and fresh fruit and veg is sooo much cheaper than noodles and pizza in Australia. I can get a 2kg bag of apples for $3, a kg of carrots for $2 and a loaf of bread for $2… a crappy frozen pizza is $6, a nice one is over $10 https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_sad.gif I am always craving and worrying about getting enough protien. Protien and me and pole, we work wonders together. Meat is so expensive though. *sigh*
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You sound like you’re used to poling a lot every week. I’d be wondering too… Has it always been like that, or is this a recent change?
I only hurt if I take it up a notch and my body isn’t used to it and/or ready for it. So, if I start harder tricks, a more intensive workout, more hours, more reps… I also get stiff and sore from any basic pole work out if I don’t warm up, cool down, and stretch out properly. It could be sleep (like Steph said). Maybe you’re lacking in a vitamin or mineral or just not eating enough and the right stuff for your requirements? I get exhausted if I don’t have enough iron and calcium and don’t eat the ‘right’ things for me. I also suffer if I don’t drink enough water.
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*Sorry if my tone is authoritative or rude or something… I write weird, apparently. I’m trying to be encouraging and helpful… Hope I am https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif*
You are not less of a pole dancer because your toes are not pointed just as you are not less of a pole dancer because you can’t do a certain trick, you don’t dance a certain way, or you use a certain type of pole, grip product or wear a certain outift.
Your spins have great momentum! I still freak out doing static spins sometimes…
I notice that in your fireman spin, once you’re on the pole, you get your nicest point. Is that your strongest/earliest move so far? I’m going to assume it is. It looks like a flexed foot is your body’s default position when you’re exerting yourself. It might be a protection mechanism and/or the way your body can get into that position and hold it and not fall. You’re poling, which is so hard in itself, your body is focusing on that and on keeping you safe. Don’t feel down about it! It’s a matter of programming your brain and your body to do something you’ve never done before and that takes a lot of time and effort sometimes. Girls who always point their toes on pole have had dance training and/or are genetically predispositioned to point (ok, maybe I’m making that up, but I swear some girls are just gifted that way) and/or have drilled it so long and hard that it’s now second nature.
This is how I began: Start with dancing on your toes. Next, try to point every single time your foot leaves the floor. Then, keep it pointed unless it’s holding your weight on the floor or you need it flexed to hold you on the pole in a move. Even when you stretch before and after poling, you can use that time to practice pointing. Perhaps practice some non-pole-move walking and dancing around your pole just to get used to pointing every time you lift your feet?
I would recommend stretching your arches to a) improve the depth of your point and b) get your feet used to the position. You can do this by sitting in a comfortable position with straight legs and alternatively pointing and flexing your feet as much as you can. You can also do raises from flat feet onto your toes (together or one at a time) trying to get as much arch in your feet as possible – the best arch is with a bent knee and eventually that knee goes over the foot for more and more arch. Make sure in your warm up you also warm up your feet and in your cool down you stretch them. Another pointe stretch is to use your hands to manipulate the foot into a deeper pointe. Make sure you’re turning the foot out too and not sickling it (so sitting and looking at your feet you should be trying to turn the legs from the hips out from the middle and so that the line from hip to toe is a ‘straight’ one).
Hope that was helpful… It will come in time.
Good luck!
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She came here, but we missed her because she hurt her rotator cuff and couldn’t teach. https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_cry.gif
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It’s at 2.37, forgot to mention.
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I’ve had the to-floor flip for a while and gave flipping onto the pole a shot and managed it! Still over-protective of my pubic bone and going into a sit way too far out on my thighs to put it into a combo, but the technique is there. https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_cheers.gif Is it meant to be faster? I hold it in a sort of SM pike for ages…
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I have used Mighty Grip powder, iTac2, natural rock rosin (have to crush it), white refined rosin, Dry Hands and Mighty Grip gloves. I go through phases with them all. I only use grip when the pole is still cold or my hands are sweating too much to work through and I’m doing inverts and holds with split grip or some other move I tend not to be able to catch if my hands slip. I’m favoring the Mighty Grip powder and the rock rosin at the moment. MG powder because it’s clean and easy, and rosin because it’s free-for-all in a big tub/tray in all my classes. iTac2 rips the skin on my legs and torso when it gets left on the pole and when I’m having a sweaty day it just goes everywhere. I’ve used it for learning TG handspring at home and that’s about it. Other girls I know swear by it though. Gloves keep ripping for me, so they’re out of the picture. I lost my white rosin bag for a few weeks but I’ve found it again! It’s not as ‘sticky’ as the yellow rosin we use in classes, but I can’t find anywhere to buy that to use at home. I lost my Dry Hands bottle, I tried it when I was a super sweaty death grip beginner and I found I just sweat right over the top of it. Should try it again now? As I said, I go through phases. My best grip tip thus far is to just use a brass pole https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_razz.gif I really really really want one.
