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ya, go through the brassworks email
brass fittings are their main business, even thougth personally their poles are the best i've ever danced on, not bad for a company that only does pole work on the side.
I have nothing but good to say about the company, great customer service and excellent product (though their dome piece on the top could be a bit bigger for stability)
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I totally just spelled country wrong,
6 years of university education folks, 6 years
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they offered to exchange it, good on NZ
when I contacted xpole us to confront them about the pole being true brass they threatened me with legal action, (you can read it in the first letter I posted) funny how different countrie branches treat customers differently.
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alright, here is the second response xpole sent me when asked about the metal mix:
Below is direct from the product designer and managing director of X-Pole International:
"Brass is an Alloy – there is no such thing as ‘Pure’ brass. Brass is a combination mixture of Copper and Zinc. The proportions of zinc and copper can be varied to create a range of brasses with varying properties.
The higher the copper content the softer the brass – and so that is prone to bending and damage. We use a 70:30% ratio (Copper/Zinc) which gives good longitudinal strength together with good damage resistance."
If we made the entire pole brass including the dome and the base then the cost would significantly increase and since brass is not as hard as steel it would be able to withstand less ceiling to floor pressure.
Our goal is to make the X-Pert to be the strongest, sturdiest, and safest professional pressure mounted pole on the market.
In addition, the main reason people wanted the brass is for the grip. As the dancers are not "gripping" either the dome or the base during their routines we decided strength and cost were more important to the design.
Also, whereas one piece lined brass pole are on the market, it is much more difficult from a production standpoint to make a multiple piece portable pole that is lined (weight,cost etc.). By using a proper ratio of Copper & Zinc and thorough product testing we determined we could make a really strong, safe portable brass pole that received great reviews.
Sorry I wasn't able to read the whole Studio Veena thread, but I did come across some good reviews on the brass as well."
The part about having the dome and base made of titiumun I understand compleatly, it's a lot cheaper for the buyer and your not dancing on the base/dome so whatever, that was never an issue for me. but i'm still kinda dissapointed with the brass mix, by making it more durable they sacfriced on grip, which is generally why people buy brass in the first place. they didn't lie about it being brass, but I still feel jaded that's it's not the type of brass the buyer expects from a pro brass pole. that's my two cents, I know some people like the new model, but after useing a "true brass" pole there's really no comparison.
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hun, your better off going with action pole, I only paid $400 for mine with $80 shipping, compared to bobby or pussycat that charge something like $900AD for the pole alone. Their brass is true brass, and has a steel core for strenght.
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alright, after a little reasearch on the different types of brass I dug this up:
The malleability of brass depends on the zinc content; brasses that contain more than 45 percent zinc are not workable, either hot or cold. Such brasses, known as white brasses, are of little industrial importance, though a granulated form is used in brazing (soldering); they also form the basis for certain alloys used in die-casting. The malleable brasses may be further subdivided into those that can be worked cold (generally those with less than 40 percent zinc) and those with a greater zinc content, which require http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/272804/hot-working. The former group, known as the alpha brasses, are widely used in the manufacture of pins, bolts, screws, and ammunition cartridge cases. The beta brasses are less ductile but stronger and thus are suitable for the manufacture of faucet handles, sprinkler heads, window and door fittings, and other fixtures. A third group of brasses includes those with other elements besides copper and zinc, added to improve physical and mechanical properties, corrosion resistance, or machinability or to modify colour. Among these are the lead brasses, which are more easily machined; the naval and admiralty brasses, in which a small amount of tin improves resistance to corrosion by seawater; and the aluminum brasses, which provide strength and corrosion resistance where the http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/406851/naval-brass may fail."
What i'm guessing x pole did was use the "third group" and mixed it with other elements besides copper and zinc, thus they can still claim it as being brass, but because of the other elements it is a lot stronger (and less grippy)
unless someone wants to pay to have it melted down and tested we may never know for sure.
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I contacted x pole last night to call them out on whether this pole was 100% brass or not, I was pretty blunt in the letter, but I purposally paid extra for a pole that was 100% brass, and was mad as hell if this thing wasn't. I own a 1 piece brass pole, and the x pole feels nothing like it, anyways this is what the company wrote back.
"The integrity of our company and customer service is VERY important to us.
Please if you are unhappy simply call the office to discuss your issues with us. In addition, If you don't understand our product we will be happy to explain it you and answer any of your questions.
Many of your statements below are incorrect and untrue. Please be aware before you consider publicly posting any of these untrue statements regarding our patented products that legal action can be taken. **that made me laugh, great way to keep customers lady**
We value feedback (both good and bad) from the pole dance community, but when people post incorrect information regarding our product it is confusing for all those involved.
Below are some correct answers to your questions.
The 45mm Brass X-Pert is DEFINITELY brass. It is not a finish nor is it plated like our titanium gold model.
The reason it feels different than other brass poles on the market is because of the level of polishing that is done on our brass X-Perts. We thoroughly product tested the brass with various levels of polishing and it was unanimous among the top pole dancers all over the world that the one we released had the best grip.
I have looked over the Studio Veena link you provided and cannot find any negative comments. **I'm guessing she didn't read the lower portion of the thread**
Brass is a porous and softer metal that requires a special oil during the machining process. Because of this the pole might feel slippery at first and you need to "break in" your pole. During this "break in" period the "slippery" oils that are used in machining gets replaced by your natural "sticky" body oils and grip aids that can be used.
The result is the best grip pole on the market!
A few people have had similar concerns when they first received their brass pole. After the 2 week "break in" period they and have contacted us absolutely thrilled with the product explaining that the grip has significantly improved.
The reviews we have gotten from professional pole champions like Zoraya Judd to amatuer pole dancers have been very positive!!"
So anyways according to the american branch of x pole the things are 100% brass, I received my pole a month ago but havn't had time to "break it in" becuse of a shoulder injury. after it's healed I"ll put the hours on it and see if working on it will actually imporve the grip. I"ll give it the benefit of the doubt, but i'm still pretty rotted it's not a grippy as my single piece brass.
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I have a pure brass pole, and I also bought the x pole brass because i'm moving to another country and wanted an adjustable pole (my good brass is a single piece) I have to agree with the others here, the x pole does not have the same feel as real brass. I specifically bought it because the company lead me to believe I was buying a brass pole, and didnt say anything otherwise, had I known I would have went with PS
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a cheaper option might be to contact your local metal or piping store in the area and powder coat the piping. kinda like lil mynx has with colour.
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Do you want brass or chrome?
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I'm not sure if I was just watching a pole dance competation or an anime cosplay convention…
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If you are interested in an x pole, stay away from the titanium, the finish rubs off in a few months. It was the first pole I had and was highly disappointed in it, not only that it is SUPER slippery compared to brass.
my next pole was a 38 brass Action pole, and I fell in love with the thing, it has awesome grip.
I also managed to get my hands on a 50 chrome 1st model x pole, i got to say if you can find a second hand original x pole go for it. The new x joint system is awful, the stupid joint things twist in the tubing and you need a broom or crow bar to force them back out (but at that point the damage is done) the first modle screw in joints are much more reliable.
On that note I will be moving recently and there was no guarantee I would be moving into an apartment with 8ft ceilings, as my 38' is one size only. As such I sold the titanium and chrome and invested in the brass x pole (no I'm not a huge fan of x pole, but I needed something that could fit in all ceiling heights, and i really did not want to deal with PS's horrible customer service, despite x pole's flaws the service is quite good) I'll admit the grip is much better then the chrome and tit, however it's not near as good as the 38' action pole (which I don't understand because brass is brass isn't it?). it's a bit of a compromise but I guess you can't have your cake and eat it to…..
hope this helps
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I use the stuff they wrap tennis racket handles with, electrical tape will just slip, this stuff sticks to the pole really well. I'ts a big help for moves like starfish.
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polegypsy
your links arn't working hun
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Thank you