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@HollySatine – It's hard to describe, concisely sometimes mechanical movement. The wobble that is referred to is the unassisted movement of the pole. You'll notice that when Veena moves the pole the XSL comes back to true almost immediately while the SSA keeps moving back and forth for a bit. This movement is probably more noticeable if you watch it full screen on Youtube or our site rather than watching the little video embedded in the forum.
As to the noise, yes that is true of the XSL, Veena chose not to where heels in the video on either pole as she expressly stated, because of the "sponginess" of the SSA panels and the noise it causes on the XSL. However in a performance environment the noise is usually covered up by the music.
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Since this thread was brought back up I'd like to pull one of my responses from another related thread over especially since its relevant to nilla's post, see below:
"KEITH FROM PLATINUM STAGES actually requested the review and sent us the pole. This is the only problem I have with anyone's comments, is the assertion that we were paid or somehow incentivized by X-Pole.
Keith from Platinum Stages asked for a demo of his pole which is something we really don't do but he was insistent and one of his suggestions was a side by side review which we felt was the only fair way to take on a product demonstration, which is something that we have never done in any significant way.
We receive no incentives from X-Pole or Platinum stages, and the revenue from our pole sales wouldn't buy you lunch in a month. You'll notice that there are positives for the SSA listed in there:
1) The Platinum Stages is 55 lbs lighter
2) Setup time is less than half that of the X-Stage lite
Keith assured me in our conversations, time after time, that he wanted to know not just what was good with his pole but what was bad. He constantly talked about how they made improvements after Alethea pointed out issues with their pole.
I fully expect that Keith from Platinum Stages will hold up his end of the bargain and stand up for the demonstration as he promised he would."
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I think oliviaaa may be joking but, I want to be very clear. No one paid us to do that. KEITH FROM PLATINUM STAGES actually requested the review and sent us the pole. This is the only problem I have with anyone's comments, is the assertion that we were paid or somehow incentivized by X-Pole.
Keith from Platinum Stages asked for a demo of his pole which is something we really don't do but he was insistent and one of his suggestions was a side by side review which we felt was the only fair way to take on a product demonstration, which is something that we have never done in any significant way.
We receive no incentives from X-Pole or Platinum stages, and the revenue from our pole sales wouldn't buy you lunch in a month. You'll notice that there are positives for the SSA listed in there but the detractors are too busy calling BS that they don't notice.
1) The Platinum Stages is 55 lbs lighter
2) Setup time is less than half that of the X-Stage lite
Keith assured me in our conversations, time after time, that he wanted to know not just what was good with his pole but what was bad. He constantly talked about how they made improvements after Alethea pointed out issues with their pole.
I fully expect that Keith from Platinum Stages will hold up his end of the bargain and stand up for the demonstration as he promised he would.
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@oliviaaa – Hey, if you want to take the time to share, I'd love an email from you explaining how we could do better next time.
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So I wanted to thank everyone again for all the support. Seeing this outpouring of thanks really helps us keep in mind what is really important. It's you guys, we do this to provide a central place for polers of all beliefs… and poles 🙂 We are concerned about your success and your safety more than any amount of advertising dollars or product sponsorships.
I sincerely hope that the conversation and the community will continue for many, many years to come and that someday we get a chance to meet every single one of you beautiful people face to face.
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@jagedup – Great response. I would actually move one of your cons to the pros category.
It's not a problem that you have to buy counterweights for the XSL in order to use multiple people or further steady the pole. This is an option that you don't have with the SSA.
In my mind it's a pro that you can weight the base, and that you can use multiple people on a single pole since these are options you don't have with the competition.
Thoughts?
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Thank-you so much for your kind words. These are the kinds of things that make the hard work, late nights, and overall frustrations worth it.
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@MommaBear – The pieces fit properly, it is simply how the pole arrived. We actually experienced four distinct manufactering defects with our SSA:
1) We were sent pink stage panels first which Platinum Stages found shrunk creating more gapping than usual between the stage pieces. These were replaced with black panels.
2) The locking pin did not fit at first, Keith told me that sometimes there is extra chrome in the locking pin hole and just to find something to scrape it out. What was finally able to clean it was a drill bit but the pin sticks, however it does go in now, albeit with a little effort.
3) The end cap for the pole that was forgotten in the original package didn't fit when it finally arrived. They had to send us a second one.
4) The pole was warped.
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@poledanceromance – The pole for the SSA uses their EZ connect joint, which honestly is kinda neat. The female and male joints snap together and are held in place by a spring loaded ball bearing. Both poles were smoothe and yes the X-Pole uses the X-Joint which we have had not any issues with. There is absolutely no chrome covered plastic on the SSA.
@LizzyLiz810 – We simply showed our experience, the reason for the demo was to try and remove hearsay from the situation. If we were to involve hearsay there is a list of things that we could have included about both poles, but at that point where do we draw the line and how do we maintain integrity, this was purely our experience.
@Empyrean – You are correct, we were not asked to review taller poles, nor were we asked to demo multi-piece poles. The specific request was the stage pole.
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We thought about covering locking mechanisms but that was another “sticky” scenario. Our pin didn’t fit at first, then at Keith’s suggestion I scraped the extra chrome away inside the lock hole. Even after clearing the chrome though the locking pin was sticky and difficult to remove and insert.
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I would like to thank everyone for the support they've shown.
Veena worked really hard on this video and tried really, really hard to be objective and omit any editorial content so that people can make up their own minds. There were alot of opinion pieces that could have been included but we didn't want to shade the issues. Everything in the video is fact, you will notice zero opinion and really nothing that could be misconstrued, both poles were shot at the same angle and no video magic was used. We agonized over every detail of this, we wanted to be fair and at the same time present the information you need to make a proper decision in buying a pole without trying to tell anyone which pole they should choose.
When Keith from Platinum Stages asked us to review his pole and gave suggestions such as a side by side review. He assured us that he wanted to know the good and the bad so that he could improve his products where they need improving. I take him at his word, and while I have not yet heard from him tonight, I am certain by the fact that Erica has been posting on the site that they are fine with what we presented, even if a couple zealots seem to think that we presented in a negative light.
While we really, really, really appreciate the support I would love for the conversation to switch back to discussion of the poles and your experiences with them as well as feelings regarding the video. We very much want to know how you feel about those things and are less concerned with rude users.
Thank you so much, we love you all.
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@PaytonPlays – You do realize that we are the largest pole dance website in the WORLD right?
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I know for certain that glitterhips https://www.studioveena.com/users/view/bc424bd6-d89d-11df-ab19-12313b090e12 and Empyrean https://www.studioveena.com/users/view/bc950dd0-d89d-11df-ab19-12313b090e12 are both in chicago they can probably point you in the direction of other users and studios as well.
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@PaytonPlays – No I didn't, you did.
@Cocao0 – If you could send me a critique via the email function on the site or directly to webmaster@studioveena.com I am genuinely interested in anything we can do to improve. In this case what we tried to do was simply shoot the primary mechanical aspects of each pole. Veena specifically tried to steer clear of any type of editorial comentary, you'll notice she gives no opinion only states and demonstrates facts. Thanks ahead of time for your help.
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@PaytonPlays – I'm confused??? Did you just say that novices won't perform on it only experienced people will perform on it but experienced people won't perform on it?
I was told by an informed source that the Star Standalone was being used by a tremendous number of competitions this year. So it seems that it is being asked to serve, and being sold as a competition piece.